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I would like to point out one thing everyone seems to be missing here.The water rate increase was mainly for updating the current system with new equipment,like pumps,motors,ect.used to maintain a water supply directly to the "CONSUMER"and the consumer pays for the use of the water.Now lets make no mistake,AAW is the provider of the water the "CONSUMER" buys.The consumer does not buy the trucks, the equipment,the pumps, the motors,ect.at least not in a direct way,or as AAW would call it a recovery act or as I would call it a"Giant" increase...
If something needs to be repaired, updated or equipment failure,than it's up the company to fix the problem and not charge the "CONSUMER"for said cost of these items.After all they are already making a profit,to begin with,selling the "CONSUMER" water.
The samething would apply to a grocery store,you don't want to buy the store nor the light fixtures,toilets or any other parts of a store itself.As a "CONSUMER"all your concerned with is buying the food that is on the shelves.Once AAW has reached the so called millions of dollars they supposedly spent,through our increase,will the water rates go down?...I wouldn't hold your breathe on that one!
Another rate increase from AAW on it's way to you.Now they want to recover1.5 million in upgrades to the waste water system.And last but not least,our Governor,Jane Brewer,just appointed the President of AAW to head up the water conservation panel for the state of Arizona...does anyone smell a conflict of interest here?
..gee... it never seems to end
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15th, 2010 12:12 pm |
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Another thing to think about.Because of the rate increase, who in their right mind is going to move to Arizona?We are a very dry state and rely on other sources to get water.With the cost of water going up it tells others,that our water supply has fallen short and at a 115 degree day,it don't take much to put two and two together..
Could we all end up of dieing of thirst.....?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 31st, 2009 03:50 pm |
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Just a curiosity question," Do they charge wastewater rates according to usage or everyone pays the same?" I had heard a rumor that its everyone pays the same for wastewater.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18th, 2009 03:44 am |
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For a condo, probably $10-12, more if you have substantial green belts.
Manatee wrote:
So what is that in dollars now?
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18th, 2009 03:00 am |
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So what is that in dollars now?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17th, 2009 02:12 pm |
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Since your water usage is included in your monthly maintenance, you will see an increase in your monthly maintenance. Then you can compare before/after fee and you will know how much the water usage cost is, for you.
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What is the dollar amount of a typical water bill for a 2 person household? We have lived in condos since 1987 and have not seen a water bill since that time. Water, sewer and garbage are included in our monthly maintenance.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16th, 2009 06:06 pm |
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What is the dollar amount of a typical water bill for a 2 person household? We have lived in condos since 1987 and have not seen a water bill since that time. Water, sewer and garbage are included in our monthly maintenance.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 04:02 am |
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'Nuf said. This state is solidly a "Red" state and is overwhelmingly business friendly. What else would you expect, rulings in favor of consumers? How else, in the midst of a recession with a $1.5 billion budget shortfall, could there still be talk of a $500,000,000 business tax break?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 03:51 am |
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I have READ and you may be pontificating. Have you looked at the past rulings? I HAVE!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 03:26 am |
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The Corporation Commission is comprised of elected officials. If you consistently vote straight Republican, I've got a news flash for you.... the GOP tends to be "business friendly" and guess what that means! I'm an Independent who believes that neither party has it right and try to balance things. As far as Az. American needing the money, I don't know... I haven't read their filings.... have you, or are you just talking out of the nether end of you alimentary canal?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 03:12 am |
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Sure! It is easy for you to say! If you believe Az. American Water needs the $$$'s I have a bridge you can buy!
The Corp. Com. rubber stamps almost everything requested. If you do not believe that, look at past rulings.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 03:02 am |
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In a serious vein, the proposed rate increase was published in the papers a while back along with a timetable for public input. If American Water was given a rate increase (lower than what they asked for) it is because they justified it to the Corporation Commission. I suggest that you do a little research as to why the rate increase was asked for and why it was approved rather than just belly-ache about it after the fact. You might start with a civil, polite e-mail to American Water. I'm also pretty sure that the Arizona Corporation Commission has a web site where pertinent information would be available. It's really rather pointless to be an activist after the fact.
It's sort of like the flail over billboards in SCW. There had been a 25 year moratorium on billboards which expired a few years ago, only nobody noticed until the first billboard went up.... too late. In the same vein, the Dell Webb Foundation took care of facilities maintenance for 25 years ... SCW got caught asleep at the switch again.
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All of our wallets will be emptied by Az. American $$$$'s.
Get ready.......It's coming!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 02:47 am |
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Sorry about that, I don't save envelope stuffers. Of course, it could all be part of an insidious plot to drive seniors into the poorhouse. Nyah-ha-ha said Snidely Whiplash!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 15th, 2009 02:31 am |
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Then show us your proof! Forget the funny papers.
PORA Water Committee December 9, 2009 By P.O.R.A.
The PORA Water Committee met on November 27, 2009.
A representative from Arizona American Water was at the meeting and spoke about the rate increase and cost cutting measures the company has taken. Committee members made observations about water conservation and the impact the rate increase will have on individuals on a fixed income and condo associations. Arizona American Water is having an Open House at theirDel Webb office on January 14 from 9 am to 2 pm. Tours will be given.
A representative from the Rec Centers talked about water saving measures taken on the golf courses and the progress on converting some out-of-play course areas to low water requirements landscaping.
The representative from the Posse said that he needed flags to continue flagging fugitive water sources. The Rec Center has some flags they can use. Also, he mentioned that draining water from pools onto the ground and streets is illegal and drained pool water should be placed in the homes drain.
A representative from Briarwood Golf Course talked about their water conservaton efforts and how dust mitigation has caused a problem with trying to reduce their water use.
There will be no December meeting due to the holidays. The January meeting is on January 27 at 9 am at PORA.
Save you dollars!
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About a year and a half ago or so, there were new water quality standards which I believe related to permitted mercury levels implemented which required the purchaser of new equipment. There were fliers included with the water statements. You aught to read something besides the funny papers.
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I did not read that! They requested 27% increase in water rates and 40% in "sewer" rates. That after 25% increase just last year!
Baloney!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14th, 2009 06:04 pm |
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I seem to remember that at least a part of the requested water rate increase was to pay for rather expensive EPA mandated improvements to the water quality/purity equipment.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14th, 2009 04:14 pm |
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Editor’s note: Copied below is a letter to the editor submitted to the Sun City West Independent. You can post your opinions by clicking on "Reply."
The Arizona Corporation Commission has finally rendered its decision regarding a water rate increase for Sun City West. The news is not good. The ACC approved a whopping 66.11 percent increase. Commissioner Bob Stump declared Arizona American would be "crippled" if their increase demands were not met. That’s debatable. Unless on the verge of bankruptcy, it seems the water company has managed to live within its means for the past four years without an increase. They can’t be doing badly if they can transfer close to $1 million back to their German-owned parent company, and pay bonuses to their executives.
The rate increase was submitted on the basis of test year 2005, when the water company posted revenues of over $5.7 million dollars and showed an adequate profit margin. The fact is the water company is seeking $4.3 million more in revenues, to almost double what was taken in; hence the request for a 69 percent increase. It looks like they will have their way.
Admitting the rate increase request for Sun City West was out of line, ACC Chairperson Kirsten Mayes tried to justify it by stating: "They (SCW) have gone the longest without an increase since 2004."
Apparently the commission is of the mindset that it has to play make-up for the water company. Her remarks inferred Arizona American should be entitled to an equated 13.22 percent increase every year in order to operate — despite the fact all other utilities are experiencing returns on their equity ranging from 6 percent to 7 percent, with rate increases not being adjusted yearly.
In considering the increase, the ACC turned a deaf ear to the Residential Utilities Consumer Office (RUCO), its own consumer arm which recommended a lesser increase. It also turned a deaf ear to PORA representatives who made a concerted and well-documented effort to effect a lesser increase. The concerns of 500 residents who sent letters opposing the onerous amount of the rate increase were also ignored.
Sun City West is paying hundreds of thousands of dollars each year to the water company for purposes other than water and sewer service — a situation that should be closely scrutinized.
While commissioners said they had reservations about approving the size of the Sun City West rate increase, they voted for it anyway. That raises doubts about their sincerity. If they really had reservations, they would have followed their gut feeling and voted against the increase. Special thanks to Commissioner Sandra Kennedy, a smart lady who saw through the charade and did just that with a no vote.
I suspect Arizona American won’t be happy until every ratepayer in its service districts is paying water bills of $100 per month or more.
They probably intend to accomplish that goal by alternating between water and sewer rate increases on a regular basis, and I don’t see a compliant ACC standing in their way. The next hit on Sun City West should be a request to increase our sewer rates.
Marianne Sikler Sun City West
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