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Apache Mom wrote: Peoria Tax Payer wroteIt is cheaper to update then to demolish and rebuild. Don't know where you got your facts m'am.
Please support this with a link or anything else, because what you're saying flies in the face of what was said at board meetings years ago. In order to bring Old Main up to code would cost more than building something new . . . which is exactly why they rebuilt the PHS campus to begin with.
Why don't you check upon the "new" building and see how cheaply it was built and is now falling apart. Go do some inspection and find out for yourself before you go spouting off your mouth..Last edited on Thu Apr 1st, 2010 02:52 am by teddybear cactus
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gad fly wrote: Here's the 64 million dollar question: If the board flattens Old Main, will you support the override or take out your anger on the backs of our current students?
Seems to me that you cannot understand that PHS old main is a very stable building.Have you read the report of the company, stating that the building is STABLE and SECURE. A portion of the roof needs to be repaired and those air conditioners sitting on the roof are NOT connected. The air is on 24/7 by awater cooled system that is on the ground floor.
GAD FLY, you are not an older resident of Peoria, therefore you do not know the history nor the up to date history of old main and that there is bond money sitting in the school district that HAS to be used on OLD MAIN or it will be lost.
Do your homework or get off the pot..................
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And just to amplify what was just beautifully presented, the only, the only thing "substantive" was the money that was coming from the Hong Kong (or was it King Kong, I can't remember) Chamber of Commerce....
Look it up....how exactly is this going to be paid for Kenny???
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Peoria Tax Payer wroteIt is cheaper to update then to demolish and rebuild. Don't know where you got your facts m'am.
Please support this with a link or anything else, because what you're saying flies in the face of what was said at board meetings years ago. In order to bring Old Main up to code would cost more than building something new . . . which is exactly why they rebuilt the PHS campus to begin with.
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Here's the 64 million dollar question: If the board flattens Old Main, will you support the override or take out your anger on the backs of our current students?
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Here's the guy that asked for Diane Douglas' resignation. Since she didn't "politely" step down, he gave her notice that the process to start a recall against her HAS BEGUN!!!
Contact info, LET'S HELP HIM. I wonder if a "clean slate" is in order? How many signatures would it take to TAKE OUT FIVE?
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gad fly wrote: Exactly...it is my assertion that it is ridiculous that we are even thinking about putting money into Old Main at all during an almost depression. Let's get real, folks...
Who rattled your cage. It is cheaper to update then to demolish and rebuild. Don't know where you got your facts m'am.
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I am totally confused, what is going on? Is it to save old main or to demolish?? Seems to me that if the building is stable, the school district could use the building to house students/staff with a few improvements. Wouldn't it be more reasonable to utilize a stable building that is paid for rather than tear down and rebuilding a new building? Cost effective would be to re-do the old vs. tear down.
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E-Gad~Fly wrote: There is nothing on this website that has any type of plan of action on how this will be done. It is rather slick advertising brochure that throws out a couple of very vague references to tennis courts, etc. Again, I invite anyone to give concrete examples of where the district has had this conspiracy to direct the funds away from Old Main.
I accepted your invitation to this dance, now your with the big boys! 
If you haven't clicked on the link that will take you to what's left of the BOND money that was allocated for Old Main, then I suggest, you shut your FLY~TRAP! If anybody is chasing their tail on the Old Main issue, it's you! I've been reading your comments and YOU, and YOU alone DO NOT make any sense!!
Here's your new topic: Why is there ONLY a little over $3 million dollars left for the maintenance and upkeep of Old Main as promised to the tax payers of Peoria in the last bond election of 2002 and NOTHING is being done?
I wonder if I can ask for my money back? NEGLECT was NOT an option given to the School Board to allow Old Main to crumble on my dime!!!
And QUIT saying, "don't blame it on this school board," a master plan is a master plan, UNLESS they have revised it, then the new members are to carry out that plan. But obviously, this sitting board doesn't talk to one another, because they allowed McCord to think he came up with a brainy idea of having an Old Main Committee bring ideas and recommendations to them for consideration. No, they played Rick Murpy's "delay tactics." The Old Main Committee card has been played already. All this board did was re-shuffle the deck.
Unless you've been under a rock, but in this case, we know what attracts "flys" so, you don't have to answer as to where you've been,  but you must of known the school board has already listened to an Old Main Committee, right? Same'O, same 'O, just different faces! Can't wait to see what this boards excuse is going to be now!
SPIN THAT!!!
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Dear Fly~away, you said: "And let's see, let's take Joe McCord as an example."
Go ahead, TAKE HIM!!!! He's a bad example anyway!
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Diane Douglas: Are these going to be her qualifications to run for Legislature? Is the scam she's named in really true?
And she's supposedly watching out for our children at the Peoria Unified School District and tax dollars? 
http://sonoranweeklyreview.com/?p=654
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Rick Murphy is leaving the PUSD Board to run for the Senate! The reason he's running for the Senate is, quote: "I am running for the Senate because I do not like their delay tactics."
Delay Tactics: EXACTLY what the PUSD Board has been doing for 3 years now since they put this Save Old Main process on hold back then in order to hear from that "Other Save Old Main Committee" that held court with them for 2 1/2 solid years. Now they have a "New Save Old Main Committee" coming at them with the SAME recommendation: TO SAVE OLD MAIN!!!!
In summary: Rick Murphy really wants to join the Senate so he can help them "polish" their delay tactics, since he's been so good at it since 2007!!!
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Dear gad fly, it is not the Committee to Save Old Mains job to educate you. Let me clue you in, we have had a financial meltdown but not in the PUSD.
There is a river of funding flowing in PUSD, it is not flowing into the pockets of the teachers or for the students, it is flowing into the pockets of the PUSD administers. The administers and the superintendent have really done a masterful job in fulling their pockets with funding, we should give them a pat on the back for this, yell right.
Finally, it is not a threat it is a promise, each time the PUSD administers want more funding to go into their pockets they come up with this con artist pipe dream, that the PUSD needs a override, no more.
The Peoria community has been more than generous with the PUSD. The PUSD has made promises to renovate Old Main to the Peoria community and now they want to demolish the vary hart, Old Main, of our community so they can put more money into their pockets, no more.
You should be helping us, we are trying to give the money to the students and teachers and save our schools from the greed of administers that only care about money.
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Ok Old Main proponents, let's talk....
I wish we could save Old Main, I really do. Three or four years ago when the district's biggest problem was whether Johnny and Suzy were able to eat their tacos at Taco Bell during lunchtime, I would be in your corner.
But, let me clue you what's happened recently as you all have apparently not been reading the newspapers. We had a financial meltdown of mammoth proportions that affected almost everyone in our nation, state, city, and school district. Our unemployment rate is estimated to be about 10%, but the true rate is closer to 20%. Almost 1 in 5 Americans are either unemployed, underemployed, or have simply given up looking. Those are staggering and sobering statistics. This has deeply affected our state and city government's revenues because people don't have the money to buy things which equates to lower revenues through sales taxes, etc.
The school district has taken a staggering blow because of this meltdown. The board and the superintendent have really done a masterful job thus far of weathering the storm and should be congratulated. But we were just hit by a category 3 hurricane so far, Hurricane Katrina is out in the ocean somewhere getting ready to come ashore. The legislature has already cut the district's revenue significantly. We are all going to vote on a sales tax increase in May, I believe, that really has no chance of passing in this state. The majority of these funds were earmarked for education and if this is turned down, it will be staggering. The last hope this district has to just a bare bones education experience is if we can get an override passed.
And that is where the Old Main people come in. We want our building and we're going to do anything it takes to get it. I haven't been really too impressed with the leadership here. It seems to me there are two real problems with the building that I have tried to get responses from you all, but I'm convinced you all just don't know. Let me try again and maybe someone will take a stab at it. One, it seems the specialists who have looked at the roof there have indicated the building needs a new roof.... that will be very, very expensive and two, the building is not safe to have kids in the building in a school setting. Again, I invite you all to tell me your plan that will make it financially doable so that we will not have to take scarce district funds from whatever bucket to fix this 90 year old buiding. Please don't direct me to this d**n web site. There is nothing on this website that has any type of plan of action on how this will be done. It is rather slick advertising brochure that throws out a couple of very vague references to tennis courts, etc. Again, I invite anyone to give concrete examples of where the district has had this conspiracy to direct the funds away from Old Main.
Finally, your threat to either get your building or to vote in mass against the override is just the height of showing you are a group of spoiled, petulant children with no regard to the kids of this district currently enrolled in school. The vote is so razor thin that I think you could actually affect the election if that's what you choose to do. And, if you do that, I hope you have kids or grandkids in the school system because you will be able to savor your victory every school day as they sit in classes with 44 other kids...
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rdg7359 wrote: To: Gad Fly; Joe Reed Pucket and Peoria Tax Payer.......
How does your petty bickering and childish behavior support or even help the issue at hand?
Just curious
To: rdg7359, this behavior, sales newspapers, it will not help the issue at hand!
Did you read the gad fly's latest reply.
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Yes, yes, yes.....it was the name that led me astray.....Joe Reed Puckett....it lead me to the path of silliness....
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To: Gad Fly; Joe Reed Pucket and Peoria Tax Payer.......
How does your petty bickering and childish behavior support or even help the issue at hand?
Just curious
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gad fly wrote: Uncle Joe Reed
So far, this is what I have:
- A knight in shining white armor from the Hong Kong Chamber of Commerce is going to sweep in and write a blank check to the district for any repairs on Old Main the district may incur.
- It seems one of the board members never realized a lifelong dream to be a tennis pro. This person decided he/she needed his/her own tennis court so he/she decided to tear down a whole building so he/she may realize his/her dream of perhaps getting on the pro circuit some day.
- Instead of fixing the roof to code and hiring professionals to do so, Uncle Joe Reed will take rubber cement from his grandson's airplane erector set and fix the roof and save millions of dollars.
Although this is obviously tongue-in-cheek, it is 97% factual....is this really all you folks have???
The Socratic Paradox is " I know that I know nothing".
The Gadfly Paradox is " I know that I know nothing because you have nothing".
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Uncle Joe Reed
So far, this is what I have:
- A knight in shining white armor from the Hong Kong Chamber of Commerce is going to sweep in and write a blank check to the district for any repairs on Old Main the district may incur.
- It seems one of the board members never realized a lifelong dream to be a tennis pro. This person decided he/she needed his/her own tennis court so he/she decided to tear down a whole building so he/she may realize his/her dream of perhaps getting on the pro circuit some day.
- Instead of fixing the roof to code and hiring professionals to do so, Uncle Joe Reed will take rubber cement from his grandson's airplane erector set and fix the roof and save millions of dollars.
Although this is obviously tongue-in-cheek, it is 97% factual....is this really all you folks have???
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You are a very un--enlightened person fly person.
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In other words, you got nothin'
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Do you really know what the PUSD had done with your money???? Do some research like I have. You will be amazed.
deceit fullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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Spelled deceitful...
Pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase......you throw out bulls**t and then tell me to prove your bulls**t???
Specifics, folks...do you have any...one???
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Ironically the various school boards are able to do as they please let alone what the previous board had voted on. Do some research back in the 70's and post what you come up with. You will be amazed how our school district has been decietful over the years and have spent our tax payers money in other places that it was not designated.
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Peoria Tax Payer wrote: I heard that the school district pays out more than 400,000 a year to lease a building for some students. Why are they not utilizing PHS old main.This is plain foolishness on the school boards part. Need a new school board???
If you had any knowledge at all of what has transpired in this Old Main episode, you would know that everything that has been decided to this point was decided by a previous board. Galbraith and Raeder were both basically in favor of doing whatever it took to save Old Main, but will do so at a later date. So to blame anything on the new board is just silly..
And let's see, let's take Joe McCord as an example. We didn't have anyone to oppose him at the last election...and you're threatening to overthrow him? Let's see, volunteer work, probably works well over 40 hours a week, no pay, a lot of grief from uninformed citizens like you....'oh please don't impeach me!!!'
I know, let's do another recall election, the last one went so well!!
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I agree with you PUSDBudgetMeeting. Ya I guess putting too much into old main would be frustrating. Some would be nice though. And yes the future override is more important than worrying about being angry about the last one. Its just not worth the energy to be angry about it.
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Dear Missa, I believe the events you refer to, about deferring maintenance and building new buildings, was a decision made by a PREVIOUS governing board, most (all?) of whom are not on the board now. While I can understand frustration, please do not let your anger make life and education miserable for the next generations. From my viewpoint, more money spent on Old Main would make me angry, but not enough to vote no on a future override. That's just being mean spirited and short sighted in thinking toward the kids of today who have had absolutely no say in any decisions. As I said, I do understand anger and frustration, but urge you to channel it elsewhere and not toward young children who are the ones who will ultimately suffer.
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Ah gadfly, we agree again. When trying to pass an override the perception of how PUSD money is being spent is key.
And most folks will not educate themselves on the way school financing works (or doesn't work) in Arizona. Although the majority of us on this thread seem to understand the concept of different sources of funds being spent according to the purpose they were voted on, there really are not a lot of different voices showing up here and debating.
After the flap about Dr. Santarelli's bonus that in my opinion derailed the Override, do you really think the voting public takes the time to understand the issues ? And that bitterness was over only $24,000, not hundreds of thousands. (I happen to support this payment, as it was part of Dr. Santarelli's contract, and did not affect teacher salaries. But you cannot deny that the media had a field day with this, and the vote showed the unfortunate result).
Missa is correct that the former Board was remiss in getting Old Main into this predicament in the first place. The current Board and the taxpayers of the PUSD will be paying for that mess for years to come. Money does not grow on trees, and our kids' futures are being pitted against a beautiful piece of local history. In no world is this fair, but it is what it is.
Instead of emotion, we need a fiscally sound plan. Or put the issue of funds for Old Main to a vote on the same ballot as the Override - so the taxpayers can decide the outcome with both situations presented side by side. Maybe that will give voters more reason to learn about the issues before they cast their ballots.
If you really want to save Old Main, using emotional attacks will not work. You need a plan with a stable source of funding that is well thought out. So far, nothing I have heard seems headed in that direction.
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So, Melissa, isn't that what members of Congress do? Since you didn't vote for my project, I won't vote for yours. Sounds reasonable....for someone's who's about ten years old..
As someone pointed out, it's not about what bucket this money is coming from...it's about the perception that we are getting into the museum business when we can't afford to hire back our teachers...
Selfish and childish are two words that come to mind here....and I am sure I'll think of a lot more as we go along in this process....
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Very well said,Missa. Mr. McCord stated that the roof repair was very,very costly. Isn't there money left over to repair the roof? I have to agree with you, very shameful on the school boards decisions. I deplore the use of my tax money being wasted. Do you, the school board, know what budgeting means? You have to listen to other people like Missa, she has some good ideas.
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Very well said,Missa. Mr. McCord stated that the roof repair was very,very costly. Isn't there money left over to repair the roof? I have to agree with you, very shameful on the school boards decisions. I deplore the use of my tax money being wasted. Do you, the school board, know what budgeting means? You have to listen to other people like Missa, she has some good ideas.
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Shame on you PUSD. Shame on you for acting irresponsibly with the tax payers money, shame on you for misleading voters with budget overrides & the slogan "promises kept", shame on you for acting irresponsibly with a piece of Peoria's history & shame on you for deferring your responsibilty yet again & wasting everyone's time & efforts with creating not one, but two different "Old Main" (aka sitting duck) committees.
To my community, I urge you to educate yourselves on this subject. Money spent on Old Main (or the building/maintenance of any school) does not detract from school programs or teacher salaries. It's too bad that "fiscal responsibilty" wasn't on everyone's mind a couple of years ago before it was decided to continue to defer the maintenance on Old Main & construct new buildings on the PHS campus. If you were to go to the PUSD website & take a look @ their budgets, you'd see that numbers don't lie & learn that millions we're spent on PHS campus improvements, yet only thousands were spent on "Old Main" & most of the thousands went to parking lots & running utilities to the parameter of the building. What's even more shocking to me is that no one has brought up the environmental impact of this impending decision. Has anyone stopped to consider what the impact of throwing a 50,000 square foot building in the landfill would be, not to mention one made of boulders & concrete?
I grew up in Peoria & choose to call it my home today. I supported the PUSD budget overrides every time I went to the polls to vote. I did this because it was the right thing to do and allows me to help support my community. However, the events surrounding the PHS campus over the last couple of years have left me with the perception that the school board & the administration have not kept the community that they are supposed to be serving in mind. I hate to say it, but until my perception is changed, it looks like I'll have to find other ways to support my community, I see no reason to continue to support an organization who continues to act in self serving ways.
Missa72 aka Melissa Lazok
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Mr. McCord,
I do not envy you or your fellow Board members having to preside over this. Unfortunately, I do think it is selfish to want to preserve a building our students cannot use. I also think it is a shame that there will most likely not be a good use for the Old Main building that preserves the safety of the current students - commercial or community use of the building during school hours does not seem safe to me.
Do you know if the building is sound enough to be moved to a different location? Not that this is a practical idea, but if the building were not on the high school campus, more options open up for its use.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19th, 2010 03:46 am |
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Add this to the silly list...you know, the list of silly things that are important to people. First on the list had to be the lunch controversy of a couple of years ago, but not far behind are the really blind and asinine comments about this old school. You're just not getting it here, are you?? The programs and employees that are going to be cut from this district are going to be draconian. We have much bigger fish to fry than getting the district into the museum business. Let's worry about educating the kids we have in school now. All you Old Main lovers can remember the good times you had at that school and maybe the kids coming up now will remember the good times in the coming years also....hopefully, they won't just remember the scarcity of sports and music programs, library books, supplies, teachers, books in the classrooms, etc... Last edited on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 06:07 am by
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Yes, I have been throughout the building on special tours three times during recent months, but I have relied on structural engineers to make the statement about the condition of the building since they ran tests to determine that fact.
The PUSD Board will make the final decision about what to do with Old Main because the Board is legally charged with doing so.
Joe McCord
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 10:59 pm |
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How about the tax payers of Peoria making the decision......isn't it foolish to waste 3-4 hundred thousand dollars of tax payers money to demolish a structually sound building?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 10:54 pm |
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Have you been inside the old building to make a decision that you have made?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 10:10 pm |
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Old Main is structurally sound, but that is not the same as being safe for students. The biggest problem with Old Main is that the roof is in very bad shape and it will require a very large amount of money to bring it back to code. Yes, PUSD does pay rent for PTC, our alternate high school, but we cannot send those students to Old Main for the reasons cited in my first sentence, above.
But thanks for asking.
Joe McCord
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 09:05 pm |
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So what if it is 90 year old......how about the Capitol or the White House, aren't they older than dirt? It is cheaper to restore a building than to demolish and rebuild.
AND where did you get the idea that the building is unsafe? I received a copy when the building was deemed structually safe. Somebody has their wires crossed.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 08:26 pm |
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It's unusable. It's unsafe. It's 90 years old.
Other than that, it's fine.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 08:06 pm |
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I heard that the school district pays out more than 400,000 a year to lease a building for some students. Why are they not utilizing PHS old main.This is plain foolishness on the school boards part. Need a new school board???
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The best thing to do, is ATTEND the committee meeting on Monday, March 22 5:15...see what will be presented by them to the school board on Thursday, March 25 6PM,,,,both at the District Building.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 03:46 pm |
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Well, we'll see. I wish we could do everything for everybody, but, as with everything else in life, that just isn't possible.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 03:41 pm |
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Ya I agree, I just wish they would do something like that. As a school, we don't have a lot of money. If they end up doing something like that, the district may rely on the community for some help.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 03:38 pm |
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Interesting idea, but I can't even imagine what that would cost, both in terms of refurbishing, retrofitting, bringing up to every code and then liability.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18th, 2010 03:34 pm |
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As to what you were saying as a shell of a building, there was some talk about refurbishing it and turning it into a sort of home for students on campus who dont have homes. In my opinion I think that would be a good idea because the building could be in use and helping get kids off the street at the same time.
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