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If worthwhile projects are brought to Pinal County that will bring to much education!
In doing this the cronies in AJ and Pinal would be at risk ! Simple really.
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Hearing set on new Pinal-Mesa route
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"A open house has been scheduled to solicit public comment.
Where: Queen Creek Founder's Hall, 22350 S. Ellsworth Road.
When: 5-7 p.m. Jan. 19."
..."Roberta Crowe, spokeswoman for the Maricopa County transportation department, said the future Meridian Road has been broken into four segments that will be evaluated individually. They are: -Ocotillo Road to the future alignment of State Route 802, also known as the Gateway Freeway.
-Gateway Freeway to U.S. 60.
-U.S. 60 to University Drive.
-Empire Boulevard to Ocotillo Road.
"This study is crucial in the identification and preservation of sufficient right-of-way to accommodate a six-lane major arterial roadway to meet the area's forecasted future travel demand," Crowe said.
The cost for the Empire-Ocotillo segment study is $990,000; Pinal County and Queen Creek will pay $200,000 each and Maricopa County the rest."
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/13/20100113mr-meridian0113.html
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Loki makes a valid point. After being involved with a start up/buyout operation in the rural south an educated work force is a real value to a community.
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In the context of this board, it certainly is refreshing and even uplifting to see a rational discussion.
My thanks to you Mr. Dotson.
With that said, I'd ask everyone to acknowledge, and remember, that fostering a first-class local educational system amonts to nothing less than an essential cornerstone of future economic development.
On the flip side, dismantling the educational system amounts to a community commitment to assuring we raise future generations qualified for low-skill, low-wage employment. And a low-skill labor force invites nothing but low-wage economic development.
Employers looking at a community consider the qualifications of local citizens, and they also look at whether the local school system will continue to produce qualified future employees.
This requires a concern about the educational qualifications throughout the community. It isn't enough to say that you beat your kids until they study and get A's. You need to worry about the education of ALL, without regard to whether or not every parent measures up to your own self-professed state of perfection.
And to those who chant money has no relationship to educational excellence, I say nonsense. As a general proposition, you get what you pay for. Not always, but generally.
And to those who decry "fraud, waste, abuse and corruption," I suggest that you get elected to a local school board and gain some first-hand knowledge to allow you to show the public some pattern that supports your allegations.
Organically growing a qualified workforce will take a sustained commitment spanning decades, if not generations. But if you want real economic growth, supporting education amounts to an essential commitment.
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it is all about jobs and industry. it can also been done responsibily.
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I read up on this mining company. They do have some human rights violations on their record, that should be investigated. There should be a complete investigation by the Dept. of Agriculture, and it appears there's going to be just that.
A Senate panel approved a compromise bill that gives the secretary of agriculture authority to approve a land exchange. The bill approved by the Energy and Natural Resources committee would give Resolution, three years to develop a mining plan.The Department of Agriculture would then have three more years to conduct an environmental study before deciding whether to permit the land swap. The agriculture secretary would still have the discretion to accept or reject the swap.
So who do you contact to express your opinion, as it looks like this operation is possibly 6 years out.
McCain and Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., had co-sponsored a bill that would have authorized the land swap to go forward without giving the secretary veto power. How about the Secretary of Ag? former Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa.
Department of Agriculture
Secretary Thomas J. Vilsack
http://www.usda.gov
Environmentalists said the mine could contaminate water supplies and damage pristine scenic areas. Tribal leaders have also said they fear sites containing religious and cultural artifacts will be damaged by mining operations. I believe that is the area near a key birding area, sites sacred to the San Carlos Apache and Fort McDowell Yavapai Indian tribes and rock climbing spots....Oak Flat.
McCain has been trying for several years to win approval for the swap, which is expected to generate tens of billions of dollars in income for the mining company over the life of the mine. He even placed "holds" on several of President Barack Obama's appointees to public lands posts in response to the administration's refusal to endorse the swap.
Who else endorsed this Swap? Just about every Republican out there, including our Governor. So if you object to this action, then you have alot of opposition in this State to overcome. It's all about JOBS.
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Microalgae – new crop for feed, fuel
..."XL Renewables has algae-based projects underway in Virginia and Oklahoma and a system planned in Texas. The privately-held company also plans to install a 160-acre demonstration facility in Pinal County, Ariz., in 2010 for Phyco BioSciences, Inc., to showcase the technology." ...
http://westernfarmpress.com/news_archive/microalgae-feed-0104/
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These are a couple of good points but some of them need some follow up.
I have problems with this project:
1) Foreign owned, what does it matter if it is a foreign entity. they are still bound by US, AZ and local laws. they will have to meet the same requirements of a US company, pay the same taxes and occupancy/permitting fees. we have many local companies that foreign owned.
2) Destruction Oak Flat Campground, i don't know much about that
3) pumping the dewatered reclaim on fields in Queen Creek and San Tan Valley,this is content based and good portion can have resale value
4) huge fresh water consumption when we are struggling to come up for a water plan for Pinal County growth.that doesn't mean that adequate water does not exist. Many industries are relying on closed loop RO systems; 1)local water is not clean enough for process equipment 2) it drastically reduces new water cycles.
I not saying don't do it, I saying these are legitimate concerns that should be properly dispositioned in open public forums. This area needs diversification in industry. Housing, some technology and services/health care will not sustain growth.
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New copper mine could bring some high-tech jobs to Valley
"A proposed copper mine 60 miles east of Phoenix could bring some high-wage, high-tech jobs to the Valley.
British mining giant Rio Tinto Plc wants to develop a multibillion-dollar mine in Superior, in eastern Pinal County. Rio Tinto and its Arizona subsidiary, Resolutions Copper Co., project the operation could create as many as 1,400 jobs."...
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/12/14/story5.html
I have problems with this project:
1) Foreign owned,
2) Destruction Oak Flat Campground,
3) pumping the dewatered reclaim on fields in Queen Creek and San Tan Valley,
4) huge fresh water consumption when we are struggling to come up for a water plan for Pinal County growth.
I'm not saying don't do it, I'm saying these are legitimate concerns that should be properly dispositioned in open public forums.
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Power corridor of knowledge, possible jobs
..."Done right, Smith said, the “Power Road Knowledge Corridor,” as it is being dubbed by officials, could earn the south East Valley an international reputation for collaboration among the public, private and education sectors.
Smith said it’s too early to say how many jobs might be generated by the corridor. But he thinks there could be enough to keep Mesa and Gilbert’s young people from having to move to other parts of the state and nation. It could also draw people from the Superstition Vista area of Pinal County once that area, now mostly state-owned land, is developed."...
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/148337
Others are planning to create jobs to pull people out of Pinal County. What are Pinal County's plans to create jobs 'in Pinal County' that will allow the growing population in Northern Pinal County to work in Pinal County? This is a complex problem that looks like we (Pinal County) are way behind the curve on this kind of planning!
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It not only can . It will!
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Arizona Technology Council Foundation Becomes Home of STEM Education Initiatives
..."“Arizona needs to not only develop and implement policies that retain, attract and deepen our technology base, but must also invest strategically in programs that enhance student math and science learning statewide,” said Steven G. Zylstra, president and CEO of the Arizona Technology Council. “To that end, our involvement in STEM is helping improve the pipeline of science and engineering talent that is so critical to our member companies.”"...
Arizona Science and Engineering Fair (AzSEF)
"Now in its third year, the Council is hosting the Arizona Science and Engineering Fair (AzSEF) being held at the Phoenix Convention Center March 22-25, 2010."...
http://www.your-story.org/arizona-technology-council-foundation-becomes-home-of-stem-education-initiatives-65415/
Here is yet another strategic affiliation opportunity leading to possible future Pinal County Economic Development ! Carpi Diem Pinal County!
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Az4Solar.org to Host Arizona Solar Manufacturing Symposium
"PHOENIX--(BUSINESS WIRE) Az4Sorar.org, a trade association dedicated to supporting economic development of Arizona’s solar energy industry, is hosting an Arizona Solar Manufacturing Symposium Wednesday, January 27, at the Hyatt Regency in downtown Phoenix. Featuring an impressive contingent of industry leaders, technology developers and policy makers, this full-day event is targeted to companies and executives who want to capitalize on Arizona’s extraordinary solar opportunity. The Symposium brings together a diverse group of industry experts and stakeholders who will explore the pathways to creating a vibrant solar energy ecosystem in Arizona.
“Over the next two decades Arizona and our neighboring states will generate a significant amount of solar power, and those involved in this process will play a vital role in helping reshape our energy economy,” said Jeffrey Luth, Executive Director of Az4Solar.org. “Blessed with the nation’s greatest solar energy potential, Arizona has an extraordinary opportunity to become the “solar capital” of the U.S. To be successful, we must foster an historic collaboration amongst private industry, local & regional governments, Arizona-based educational institutions and our workforce.”"
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20091208005360&newsLang=en
Will Pinal County be represented at this strategic symposium?
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Railroad pauses expansion projects in Ariz., NM
..."Plans to build a new yard in Pinal County in Arizona and a new rail facility in Santa Teresa, N.M., are on hold, and spokesman Tom Lange says installation of a second set of tracks across Arizona also has been postponed indefinitely."...
http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/78533127.html
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Across the Valley equestrian properties preserve way of life..."One of the things we're seeing is people (non-horse owners) moving out to rural areas but not wanting the rural lifestyle," says Chip Wilson, president of the Arizona Horse Council. "They don't want to have horses around them."...
..."Horse people are their own worst enemy," Wilson says. "We want to be left alone, not be involved in politics. We know what our rights are, but if we don't have people representing us, we'll be eliminated."...
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2009/11/28/20091128horse1108.html
..."Equestrian Amenities planned as social centers with inclusive, multi-discipline facilities, and more options for family participation are the direction of the future."...
http://www.lynnlongplanninganddesign.com/equestriancommunities.htm
..."The growth of the equestrian community model has sky-rocketed at staggering rates and at last count there were nearly 300 equestrian communities in the United States, all planned or in the process of being built within in the last five years."...
..."By approaching the equestrian amenity development similarly to designing a golf amenity, including proper planning, design, implementation and management, there is an opportunity to set an exceptional standard in equestrian living and successfully enter an exciting market."...
http://deadlinenewsroom.blogspot.com/2008/04/dont-horse-around-with-equestrian.html
Arizona is a destination for a 'western lifestyle'. Pinal County should adopt as a strategic economic development goal, equestrian amenity development as a lifestyle and as a economic multiplier - Pinal County as a equestrian lifestyle tourism destination!
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What are the implications for Roads ? I am sure with all the new concrete there will be a change to the water table.
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What kind of jobs are we getting here??
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Supervisors approve land-use plan for county's explosive growth
"The Pinal County board of supervisors unanimously approved a land-use plan on Wednesday, Nov. 18 that will guide the county as it grows from a population of about 350,000 to a projected 6.1 million in the next 70 years."...
http://www.inmaricopa.com/NEWS/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?mid1=430&&ArticleID=7110
Pinal County supervisors OK major land-use changes
..."A sticking point: County supervisors were blasted in recent months for striking a section on water resources in favor of keeping policy set in the 2001 comprehensive plan. The proposed section required zoning applicants to show that sufficient water supplies are available to support their development before initial approval. Water availability is currently demonstrated at final plat.
In an Oct. 30 opinion piece for the Maricopa Monitor, Casa Grande City Councilman Dick Powell said the 2001 water plan was "a commendable beginning" but "antiquated."
Powell said the board, with its 2 to 1 vote to strike the water section, "satisfied the development community but certainly leaves many Pinal County residents scratching their heads."
"A sustainable, progressive and responsible water element is arguably the most critical component necessary for successful growth planning in Pinal County," Powell said.
Supervisors on Wednesday reinstated the proposed water section, now amended to task a committee with looking at whether a water study should be performed prior to zoning.
Although approved, board members said the plan process is not complete. Amendments can be made annually."...
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/18/20091118pc-landuse.html
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Obama: U.S. must reverse course with Indians
... "I'll appoint an American Indian policy adviser to my senior White House staff to work with tribes and host an annual summit at the White House with tribal leaders to come up with an agenda that works for tribal communities," Obama said in a video address to the National Congress of American Indians' convention in Phoenix during the final days of his campaign. "That's how we'll make sure you have a seat at the table when important decisions are being made about your lives, about your nations and about your people." ...
..."He also tapped Dr. Yevette Roubideaux to serve as director of the Indian Health Service within the Department of Health and Human Services, making her the first American Indian to head the federal agency since its founding in 1955. Roubideaux, a member of the Rosebud Sioux tribe, worked for IHS on the San Carlos Indian Reservation and in the Gila River Indian community."
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/11/05/20091105obama-indians-ON.html
Maybe Pinal County can leverage Joint Economic Development opportunities with GRIC via the US Dept's of Interior, HHS, and DOE.
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Here we go again . Pay as you go? Growth pays for itself?
All catchy nonsense! We will pay either way! Developers pass on the cost.
When people move in to communities taxes are paid on the property.
The solution would be not to build into areas without infrastructure in the first place.
The infrastructure funding should come from Financing until the homes are occupied. If there is no choice but to build into areas without infrastructure.
Shake downs of the builders upfront is going to hurt the economy.
New Homeowners pay taxes anyway!
Cities and Towns need to stop using money for costly city halls and chamber of commerce structures and have money on hand for infrastructure.
The City of Apache Junction was two million over budget on the fancy City Hall .
Enough spending on Phallic Symbols of power!
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Arizona split on use of impact fees
"Arizona's cities and homebuilders have been slammed by the recession, and both have very different ideas about how money should be raised to keep the state's roads and sewers from crumbling."...
..."Municipal budgets are built off the windfalls of housing bubbles that have a tendency to pop."...
There is definitely a case to be made for 'pay-as-you-go', rather than taking on debt that is unsustainable in hard times!
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/11/04/pm-impact-fees/
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Economic Development Manager hired to lure living-wage jobs to Pinal County
..."Business development gurus often say that the biggest source of new business comes from existing businesses that find ways to grow and thrive. While that may be the subject of heated debate, economic development certainly involves a focus on the growth and health of existing businesses as well as attraction of new businesses.
“Our Business Retention and Expansion Program (BR&E) will be a major aspect of our overall countywide economic development initiative,” Kanavel said. “BR&E, allowing with a supply chain development program will consist of creating a positive, aggressive business atmosphere whereby local, existing and new businesses thrive in our county. We can help ensure that by mitigating the many hurdles that inhibit local business growth and also by fulfilling and possibly relocating to Pinal County a company’s production materials resource needs.”"...
http://www.examiner.com/x-4805-Arizona-Rural-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m11d5-Economic-Development-Manager-hired-to-lure-livingwage-jobs-to-Pinal-County
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Economy delaying lower-cost colleges
ASU, UA, NAU working on several 4-year options
"Arizona residents seeking a cheaper college degree may have to wait a little longer.
Arizona State University's plan to develop a network of lower-priced colleges, originally targeted to be in place by 2010, is now two years away.
University officials, who have spent the past several months talking with municipal leaders about possible partnerships for a program called Colleges@ASU, say the recession has complicated their planning.
The proposal calls for the university to operate the schools but for cities to pick up the cost of constructing new classroom space. Tight budgets have made getting financial commitments difficult.
"If all the stars lined up and everything happened, we would try and make it for fall of 2010. That's not very likely," said David Young, ASU's senior vice president for academic affairs."...
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2009/11/02/20091102newcolleges1030.html
San Tan Valley covets a university
"It has its own name and boundaries. Now a county supervisor wants a university campus to be on San Tan Valley’s horizon."
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/145322
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Banner's Pinal hospital opening still a mystery
..."Banner Health plans to announce a timeline for opening its new Ironwood location by the end of the year. Meanwhile, Queen Creek and Banner are continuing talks on annexing the hospital into the town, which Town Manager John Kross hopes will happen by the time the facility starts accepting patients...."
"...There are a few more hurdles Queen Creek will have to jump before it can annex the hospital.
For instance, since there's a shopping center between the hospital and town limits, that shopping center will have to be annexed with the hospital, Kross said.
Kross said talks with Barclay Group, the shopping center's management company, are going well.
The person at Barclay Group with information on annexation talks wasn't available Friday because the office was in the process of moving...."
See also all the interesting comments about this article:
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/146527
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When will transportation improve in Northern Pinal County?
E.V. highway projects postponed due to deficit
"...Bob Hazlett, senior engineer at MAG had earlier told the Tribune the rest of the 802 freeway would be deferred because there’s no defined plans for where the 802 is going to go into Pinal County and there’s no funding for it in Pinal County...."
"...Many of the projects that are planned for deferrals were scheduled for construction between 2021 and 2026. They’re now being deferred to between 2026 and 2031, beyond the 20-year extension...."
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/146433
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Ok. I'm a bit older probably than most of you out there, so maybe you can help me understand this increase/decrease in impact fees.
First of all, the meeting states it's going to be held during the day on Nov. 4, at 930 a.m. IS the meeting scheduled for Nov. 3, in the eve. still on? More taxpayers can attend the evening meeting.
Next. What is the motivation for this move I wonder? If you go to the 09 update, it will give comparisons. What is the difference between a residential unit and a single family residence? What does IFA stand for and where/who are each one of them?....IFA1,2,3,4,5 etc., as they each have their own figures. IFA5, shows a drastic reduction. Why?
Can't the substantiation be made public on the Pinal County internet site, for those who can't attend? Once the tax payer has scrutuinized it, they could then email their opinions to Bryan Martyn's public email, as a matter of public record.
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Quoted from the link at the bottom:
NOTICE OF PUBLIC FORUM
REGARDING INCREASE AND/OR DECREASE
OF DEVELOPMENT FEES
Pinal County Development Services will conduct a public forum to present and receive comments on the proposed increase and/or decrease of development fees for Parks Capital Improvements, Public Safety Capital Improvements, and Streets Capital Improvements at the Board of Supervisors Hearing Room in Building A, 31 N. Pinal Street, Florence, Arizona on the following dates:
August 11, 2009 from 3:00-5:00 p.m.
September 10, 2009 from 3:00-5:00 p.m.
October 8, 2009 from 3:00-5:00 p.m.
November 3, 2009 from 6:00-8:00 p.m.
Supporting documentation for the increase and/or decrease for development fees is available for review at the Office of the Clerk of the Board of Supervisors in Building A and the One Stop Shop in Building F at 31 N. Pinal Street, Florence, Arizona or on-line at http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/DevelopmentServices/Pages/Documents.aspx.
For additional information please contact Pinal County Development Services at (520) 866-6993.
http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/DevelopmentServices/Documents/Downloads/Notice%20of%20Public%20Forum%20Postable%20Version.pdf
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it may be worth a check to see if QC got back anything on its lobbyist investment. I just dont know.
Good questions Bill. I checked with Queen Creek. You can thank Councilman Brown for this insight.
You guys had two lobbyist under contract. One on the local level, and one one the Federal level. The local level has turned out to be a wise investment of your tax dollar, as Q.C. has benefited from this lobbying in the State of Arizona. More benefits are on the horizon in terms of this lobbyist negotiating better ''deals" for the Town of QC. Federal has not been successful, in terms of being beneficial to your town, so they have cancelled his contract since the atmosphere in DC is not showing a good return.
Well done Jeff.....ongoing oversight of your town's resident tax dollar's use.
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Arizona Free Enterprise Club
The mission of the Arizona Free Enterprise Club is to advance policies
that promote a strong and vibrant Arizona economy.
http://azfec.org/
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Bambi wrote:
bobdotson wrote: Pinal to hire lobbyist to tap transit funds
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"I think a lobbyist could certainly articulate the issue for us and get us in front of the decision makers and staff people to make them aware," said Greg Stanley, county public works director. "Not only that, lobbyists can help us better be ready as (opportunities) come out to make sure we grab them."
"We need to be at the table," said Bryan Martyn, District 2 supervisor. "The best intention and efforts of (the supervisors) . . . and the staff to promote the county is not enough. You have to have somebody who knows the secret handshake and can do the things to bring the funds we so desperately need."
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/10/25/20091025pc-lobbyist1023.html
All I can say is that it's about time. If we are going to embrace the use of lobbyist in this country, then the playing field needs to be made level. We've been off that field for way too long. It's time. Q.C. has one. Others have them. It's our turn, so we can compete.
Keep up your good work Bryan. Keep in the race, only better equipped this time around.
Kudos to Greg and Bryan
It may be worth a check to see if QC got back anything on its lobbyist investment. I just dont know.
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bobdotson wrote: Pinal to hire lobbyist to tap transit funds
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"I think a lobbyist could certainly articulate the issue for us and get us in front of the decision makers and staff people to make them aware," said Greg Stanley, county public works director. "Not only that, lobbyists can help us better be ready as (opportunities) come out to make sure we grab them."
"We need to be at the table," said Bryan Martyn, District 2 supervisor. "The best intention and efforts of (the supervisors) . . . and the staff to promote the county is not enough. You have to have somebody who knows the secret handshake and can do the things to bring the funds we so desperately need."
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/10/25/20091025pc-lobbyist1023.html
All I can say is that it's about time. If we are going to embrace the use of lobbyist in this country, then the playing field needs to be made level. We've been off that field for way too long. It's time. Q.C. has one. Others have them. It's our turn, so we can compete.
Keep up your good work Bryan. Keep in the race, only better equipped this time around.
Kudos to Greg and Bryan
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"I think a lobbyist could certainly articulate the issue for us and get us in front of the decision makers and staff people to make them aware," said Greg Stanley, county public works director. "Not only that, lobbyists can help us better be ready as (opportunities) come out to make sure we grab them."
"We need to be at the table," said Bryan Martyn, District 2 supervisor. "The best intention and efforts of (the supervisors) . . . and the staff to promote the county is not enough. You have to have somebody who knows the secret handshake and can do the things to bring the funds we so desperately need."
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/10/25/20091025pc-lobbyist1023.html
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Oakland wrote: bobdotson wrote: Chris,
I've tried to provide you and other blog readers with information that I thought might be of interest or useful. Now you are engaged in trying to dominate what might otherwise be constructive dialog on a broad range issues that affect all residents of Pinal County. For now, I will not pay attention to all these rant blog entries until I hear from Supervisor Martyn that you and he have sat done and tried to address your concerns in person. When I have had a beef with my Supervisors or other elected officials, the direct approach has served me best, and your rant is distracting from other important discussions. No offense meant, but please stop and go talk to Supervisor Martyn.
Respectfully
Bob Dotson
Very wise. She and Bryan Martyn should have a sitdown. You are right, the domination of these forums doesn't do anything constructive
there just is no talking (oops had to go back and correct my spelling, the blog police don't like wrong spelling) to some people. If it isn't the way they want, they won't listen. Read some comments.... I want this, I want that, I want, I want, I want.
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bobdotson wrote: Chris,
I've tried to provide you and other blog readers with information that I thought might be of interest or useful. And you have done a great job, Bob. I do appreciate it. Now you are engaged in trying to dominate what might otherwise be constructive dialog on a broad range issues that affect all residents of Pinal County. I started a topic and asked that there be no spin, you came over and proceeded to tell me where I should be putting my info, telling me what is or is not an appropriate area. I just came back to your topic to help you understand how inappropriate it was for you to do that. Unless you can provide facts contrary to what I have posted, then please respect a no spin zone. I repeat I set up my own topic to report the facts that I had found, I did not jump into your topic with those facts now did I? For now, I will not pay attention to all these rant blog entries until I hear from Supervisor Martyn that you and he have sat done and tried to address your concerns in person. When I have had a beef with my Supervisors or other elected officials, the direct approach has served me best, and your rant is distracting from other important discussions.Beef? You're spinning again Bob. I will not tolerate being bamboozled by a 'duly elected official'. Too bad that you think facts are ranting. No offense meant, but please stop and go talk to Supervisor Martyn. You respect an area where I can post the facts that I have uncovered, and I most certainly will do the same. I believe that two mature people can do that, yes?
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bobdotson wrote: Chris,
I've tried to provide you and other blog readers with information that I thought might be of interest or useful. Now you are engaged in trying to dominate what might otherwise be constructive dialog on a broad range issues that affect all residents of Pinal County. For now, I will not pay attention to all these rant blog entries until I hear from Supervisor Martyn that you and he have sat done and tried to address your concerns in person. When I have had a beef with my Supervisors or other elected officials, the direct approach has served me best, and your rant is distracting from other important discussions. No offense meant, but please stop and go talk to Supervisor Martyn.
Respectfully
Bob Dotson
Very wise. She and Bryan Martyn should have a sitdown. You are right, the domination of these forums doesn't do anything constructive
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Chris,
I've tried to provide you and other blog readers with information that I thought might be of interest or useful. Now you are engaged in trying to dominate what might otherwise be constructive dialog on a broad range issues that affect all residents of Pinal County. For now, I will not pay attention to all these rant blog entries until I hear from Supervisor Martyn that you and he have sat done and tried to address your concerns in person. When I have had a beef with my Supervisors or other elected officials, the direct approach has served me best, and your rant is distracting from other important discussions. No offense meant, but please stop and go talk to Supervisor Martyn.
Respectfully
Bob Dotson
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pintail wrote: ChrisDumal wrote: bobdotson wrote: ChrisDumal wrote: Informative article. I do have a question about water resources though, and maybe you can answer it, Bob. I lived in one SW state and when a developer built a subdivision, they had to guarantee that they had a 100 year water source for that development. Does AZ/Pinal county have such a requirement?
Chris, I think your question would be better directed to Pinal County Planning Director, Jerry Stabley. His number is 520-866-6442, his email is Planning@pinalcountyaz.gov, and you can even put his voice to a face while you talk to him by checking out:
http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/PlanningDevelopment/Pages/Home.aspx
In my experience, Pinal County officials are typically helpful and forthright.
Bob Dotson
Bob,
Thanks for that information; water is very much a concern of mine.
Now I want to address your comments as well as a few others (in black) that were in the topic "Renaming of the unincorporated area of Florence and Queen Creek" .
Bob,
Besides the fact that this topic is probably more appropriate on the San Tan Valley board, it is difficult to see what exactly you want to see happen. Bob, I live in Pinal County, just outside the city limits of Florence, and this is a Pinal County issue. If you google about the bogus vote you will find that to everyone it appears that this indeed was a real vote..it was not, and thus I am providing the truth about this bogus vote. no one had the impression that it was a true balloted vote by the pinal county board. Oh yes they did. Reread the posts in the San Tan Valley forum.
It is apparent you are unhappy about the whole 'San Tan Valley' identity issue. Are you proposing a different approach, that you want to champion, or for which you would like to become a significant participant? Of course, I am advocating a different approach, Bob. First, it is not the role of a County Supervisor to rename an area, and esp. an area in which he does not reside. Second, proper notification of ALL of the affected residents must occur as well as public forums etc., not just a few. Finally, I am a resident, and am obviously a significant participant in finding the truth. we were all notified. Just because you say we were doesn't make it so. Reread facts provided in the renaming of the unincorporated areas of QC and Florence topic. the supervisor was well within the law and his rights.No he wasn't. don't blames the supervisor for your head being in the sand. Inane
It is also apparent that you have a beef with Supervisor Martyn. He is the Supervisor for all District 2 constituents, accountable to and serving us all. Have you tried to sit down and discuss your concerns/ideas directly with him? Yes, Bob. he came to the MR HOA meeting in August and tried to bamboozle us stating that an official vote had occurred. He was there telling us that we were San Tan Valley, and he gave so many excuses and pathetic analogies trying to sway us into accepting something that we had no say in. I asked many questions and realized that I was not getting the entire truth. chances are you only heard what you wanted to hear. And you were there? If so then please tell the readers what you heard. we have many examples of this in a multide of posts. Examples of what?
GSBill:
GSTAC has nothing to do with Pinal County. Its an organized group of concerned active citizens in the area. 100% private. That is true. I found two names associated with that site:Tisha Castillo and Bryan Martyn. The only info that I received about this vote was from Johnson Utilities, and at that time I could not find any info/map on the Pinal County site, I could only find the GSTAC map. Yes, it lists the subdivisions, but MR was not included on the map. Further the description of the affected area states that the southern most border is Arizona Farms road. MR is south of Arizona Farms road. be carefule of one of the two names mentioned above. specifically the one that has finicial benefit from the selected name, which only occured because of the "vote"Are you referring to Ms. Castillo? It is unacceptable to insinuate this about her; if you have facts state them.
The unincorporated area of Pinal thats primarily new build with 1,000's and 1,000's of residents needs a name, an identity of its own. For years the subject was left alone, like it would fix itself. That should be a decision left to the residents. I am a resident of the unincorporated area of Florence, and I like it just the way it is. Maybe if there had been a true vote, you might have found out that the majority of us like it just the way it is. Or, maybe I would have found out that I am in the minority. Regardless of the outcome, all within the community would have had a voice, not just a few.then you should vote agaisnt incoproration and bryan. have someone elected that puts our name back to queen creek.The name is still Queen Creek, and mine is Florence.
Oakland,
You seem to be so darn unhappy out here and the way things happen, why don't you do something about it. Hmmm..if you haven't noticed, I am. I am making the facts available, it's up to the residents to decide. But at least in this case they can make an informed decision, and not just be bamboozled. This constant bashing of our supervisor <Bashing? I never knew that putting out the truth was bashing>and the way he tried to help the area <a FEW in the area>is getting so old. At this point you are just taking up space.<Freedom of speech, I believe that we still have that in the US>We know you don't like the way SAN TAN VALLEY got its name and the involvement of our elected supervisor Martyn. What more is there to say, Honestly we get it. We really know how you feel. <It would have been best if the few who wanted a change thought to ask for input from the rest of the residents. It appears that those involved think that the rest of us can be so easily bamboozled>I don't believe repeating yourself, will get your point across any more than you already have.<Well the folks can decide, now they will know that there indeed wasn't an official vote, and they will not have to tolerate being told that they are apathetic, ignorant in not knowing that there was a vote etc.> These blogs are not the best way to do whatever it is that you are trying to do. <And you're here for what reason?>Enough wasted time for me on this subject. No more responces coming from this corner of San Tan Valley.
Pipeman,
Me thinks someone seriously needs to go talk to a professional. <Now that is such an intelligent response. You received your MD from where? Just my perspective but when you make such intelligent responses, one would have to wonder..is this a person who I want to be involved/running my new government?
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ChrisDumal wrote: bobdotson wrote: ChrisDumal wrote: Informative article. I do have a question about water resources though, and maybe you can answer it, Bob. I lived in one SW state and when a developer built a subdivision, they had to guarantee that they had a 100 year water source for that development. Does AZ/Pinal county have such a requirement?
Chris, I think your question would be better directed to Pinal County Planning Director, Jerry Stabley. His number is 520-866-6442, his email is Planning@pinalcountyaz.gov, and you can even put his voice to a face while you talk to him by checking out:
http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/PlanningDevelopment/Pages/Home.aspx
In my experience, Pinal County officials are typically helpful and forthright.
Bob Dotson
Bob,
Thanks for that information; water is very much a concern of mine.
Now I want to address your comments as well as a few others (in black) that were in the topic "Renaming of the unincorporated area of Florence and Queen Creek" .
Bob,
Besides the fact that this topic is probably more appropriate on the San Tan Valley board, it is difficult to see what exactly you want to see happen. Bob, I live in Pinal County, just outside the city limits of Florence, and this is a Pinal County issue. If you google about the bogus vote you will find that to everyone it appears that this indeed was a real vote..it was not, and thus I am providing the truth about this bogus vote. no one had the impression that it was a true balloted vote by the pinal county board.
It is apparent you are unhappy about the whole 'San Tan Valley' identity issue. Are you proposing a different approach, that you want to champion, or for which you would like to become a significant participant? Of course, I am advocating a different approach, Bob. First, it is not the role of a County Supervisor to rename an area, and esp. an area in which he does not reside. Second, proper notification of ALL of the affected residents must occur as well as public forums etc., not just a few. Finally, I am a resident, and am obviously a significant participant in finding the truth. we were all notified. the supervisor was well within the law and his rights. don't blames the supervisor for your head being in the sand.
It is also apparent that you have a beef with Supervisor Martyn. He is the Supervisor for all District 2 constituents, accountable to and serving us all. Have you tried to sit down and discuss your concerns/ideas directly with him? Yes, Bob. he came to the MR HOA meeting in August and tried to bamboozle us stating that an official vote had occurred. He was there telling us that we were San Tan Valley, and he gave so many excuses and pathetic analogies trying to sway us into accepting something that we had no say in. I asked many questions and realized that I was not getting the entire truth. chances are you only heard what you wanted to hear. we have many examples of this in a multide of posts.
GSBill:
GSTAC has nothing to do with Pinal County. Its an organized group of concerned active citizens in the area. 100% private. That is true. I found two names associated with that site:Tisha Castillo and Bryan Martyn. The only info that I received about this vote was from Johnson Utilities, and at that time I could not find any info/map on the Pinal County site, I could only find the GSTAC map. Yes, it lists the subdivisions, but MR was not included on the map. Further the description of the affected area states that the southern most border is Arizona Farms road. MR is south of Arizona Farms road. be carefule of one of the two names mentioned above. specifically the one that has finicial benefit from the selected name, which only occured because of the "vote"
The unincorporated area of Pinal thats primarily new build with 1,000's and 1,000's of residents needs a name, an identity of its own. For years the subject was left alone, like it would fix itself. That should be a decision left to the residents. I am a resident of the unincorporated area of Florence, and I like it just the way it is. Maybe if there had been a true vote, you might have found out that the majority of us like it just the way it is. Or, maybe I would have found out that I am in the minority. Regardless of the outcome, all within the community would have had a voice, not just a few.then you should vote agaisnt incoproration and bryan. have someone elected that puts our name back to queen creek.
Oakland,
You seem to be so darn unhappy out here and the way things happen, why don't you do something about it. Hmmm..if you haven't noticed, I am. I am making the facts available, it's up to the residents to decide. But at least in this case they can make an informed decision, and not just be bamboozled. This constant bashing of our supervisor <Bashing? I never knew that putting out the truth was bashing>and the way he tried to help the area <a FEW in the area>is getting so old. At this point you are just taking up space.<Freedom of speech, I believe that we still have that in the US>We know you don't like the way SAN TAN VALLEY got its name and the involvement of our elected supervisor Martyn. What more is there to say, Honestly we get it. We really know how you feel. <It would have been best if the few who wanted a change thought to ask for input from the rest of the residents. It appears that those involved think that the rest of us can be so easily bamboozled>I don't believe repeating yourself, will get your point across any more than you already have.<Well the folks can decide, now they will know that there indeed wasn't an official vote, and they will not have to tolerate being told that they are apathetic, ignorant in not knowing that there was a vote etc.> These blogs are not the best way to do whatever it is that you are trying to do. <And you're here for what reason?>Enough wasted time for me on this subject. No more responces coming from this corner of San Tan Valley.
Pipeman,
Me thinks someone seriously needs to go talk to a professional. <Now that is such an intelligent response. You received your MD from where? Just my perspective but when you make such intelligent responses, one would have to wonder..is this a person who I want to be involved/running my new government?
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bobdotson wrote: ChrisDumal wrote: Informative article. I do have a question about water resources though, and maybe you can answer it, Bob. I lived in one SW state and when a developer built a subdivision, they had to guarantee that they had a 100 year water source for that development. Does AZ/Pinal county have such a requirement?
Chris, I think your question would be better directed to Pinal County Planning Director, Jerry Stabley. His number is 520-866-6442, his email is Planning@pinalcountyaz.gov, and you can even put his voice to a face while you talk to him by checking out:
http://pinalcountyaz.gov/Departments/PlanningDevelopment/Pages/Home.aspx
In my experience, Pinal County officials are typically helpful and forthright.
Bob Dotson
Bob,
Thanks for that information; water is very much a concern of mine.
Now I want to address your comments as well as a few others (in black) that were in the topic "Renaming of the unincorporated area of Florence and Queen Creek" .
Bob,
Besides the fact that this topic is probably more appropriate on the San Tan Valley board, it is difficult to see what exactly you want to see happen. Bob, I live in Pinal County, just outside the city limits of Florence, and this is a Pinal County issue. If you google about the bogus vote you will find that to everyone it appears that this indeed was a real vote..it was not, and thus I am providing the truth about this bogus vote.
It is apparent you are unhappy about the whole 'San Tan Valley' identity issue. Are you proposing a different approach, that you want to champion, or for which you would like to become a significant participant? Of course, I am advocating a different approach, Bob. First, it is not the role of a County Supervisor to rename an area, and esp. an area in which he does not reside. Second, proper notification of ALL of the affected residents must occur as well as public forums etc., not just a few. Finally, I am a resident, and am obviously a significant participant in finding the truth.
It is also apparent that you have a beef with Supervisor Martyn. He is the Supervisor for all District 2 constituents, accountable to and serving us all. Have you tried to sit down and discuss your concerns/ideas directly with him? Yes, Bob. he came to the MR HOA meeting in August and tried to bamboozle us stating that an official vote had occurred. He was there telling us that we were San Tan Valley, and he gave so many excuses and pathetic analogies trying to sway us into accepting something that we had no say in. I asked many questions and realized that I was not getting the entire truth.
GSBill:
GSTAC has nothing to do with Pinal County. Its an organized group of concerned active citizens in the area. 100% private. That is true. I found two names associated with that site:Tisha Castillo and Bryan Martyn. The only info that I received about this vote was from Johnson Utilities, and at that time I could not find any info/map on the Pinal County site, I could only find the GSTAC map. Yes, it lists the subdivisions, but MR was not included on the map. Further the description of the affected area states that the southern most border is Arizona Farms road. MR is south of Arizona Farms road.
The unincorporated area of Pinal thats primarily new build with 1,000's and 1,000's of residents needs a name, an identity of its own. For years the subject was left alone, like it would fix itself. That should be a decision left to the residents. I am a resident of the unincorporated area of Florence, and I like it just the way it is. Maybe if there had been a true vote, you might have found out that the majority of us like it just the way it is. Or, maybe I would have found out that I am in the minority. Regardless of the outcome, all within the community would have had a voice, not just a few.
Oakland,
You seem to be so darn unhappy out here and the way things happen, why don't you do something about it. Hmmm..if you haven't noticed, I am. I am making the facts available, it's up to the residents to decide. But at least in this case they can make an informed decision, and not just be bamboozled. This constant bashing of our supervisor <Bashing? I never knew that putting out the truth was bashing>and the way he tried to help the area <a FEW in the area>is getting so old. At this point you are just taking up space.<Freedom of speech, I believe that we still have that in the US>We know you don't like the way SAN TAN VALLEY got its name and the involvement of our elected supervisor Martyn. What more is there to say, Honestly we get it. We really know how you feel. <It would have been best if the few who wanted a change thought to ask for input from the rest of the residents. It appears that those involved think that the rest of us can be so easily bamboozled>I don't believe repeating yourself, will get your point across any more than you already have.<Well the folks can decide, now they will know that there indeed wasn't an official vote, and they will not have to tolerate being told that they are apathetic, ignorant in not knowing that there was a vote etc.> These blogs are not the best way to do whatever it is that you are trying to do. <And you're here for what reason?>Enough wasted time for me on this subject. No more responces coming from this corner of San Tan Valley.
Pipeman,
Me thinks someone seriously needs to go talk to a professional. <Now that is such an intelligent response. You received your MD from where? Just my perspective but when you make such intelligent responses, one would have to wonder..is this a person who I want to be involved/running my new government?
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Bob, thanks for sharing the Pinal County Comprehensive Plan info. You da man.
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