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Eric,
You seem to have recently joined us here on this very indepth topic.
"Jeff Serdy's MARITAL PROBLEMS Caused the Public to Lose Freedom to Speak About City Council members." That is the heading on this forum.
It's not about Jeff or Jeff's marriage per se. The topic is about manipulation of Call to the public. History of, why, how.
Another Council person we can't talk about at Call to the Public is a certain R.E.EckII; Vice mayor. In this topic is stated that NO Council person's name can be mentioned at the current Call to the Public.
In fact, if you should read the beginning of the topic and the various ideas expressed and elaborated herein, it is about our rights as citizens being eroded. Moreover, Freedom of Speech is the issue here.
Call to the Public has very much changed since the inception of the City in 1978.
Eric, you make interesting points about the City. I myself have brought up skating on another forum as alternatives to drink/drugs for the kids. A rink would be something interesting for the children and young adults especially. Elliott has made the Walmart comment himself many a time over
We seem to be like-minded on many a concept. 
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jeffs marriage is his buisness ........we all have issues in our realtionships lets be civivl and focus on whether or not he does his job ! and not worry about his house which we dont live in or know what happens there ........mr serdy is not the problem with aj in fact i belive he could be the solution elliot ...........lets be open to change and growth in aj and at the same time its ok to keep old west charm alive as well .......how many walmarts or walgreens does one town need? what about movie theaters , skating rings, things to do in aj .........other than a pool that is closed most ofthe year ......it is nice ....but not very practicle as a money maker........there needs to be alternatives to drugs and vandalism in aj for teens !
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Starlette wrote: MrsK2009 wrote: Says you.
The voters decide who is on the council. If the voters choose term limits, so be it. So far, the voters have barely given you the time of day.
Not so sure, MRS K. Doug Coleman has never let Elliott E. Fisher run against him since the year 2000 without some type of an Election Nomination Challenge to keep Elliott off the ballot.
Why does Douglas Coleman need to try so hard for a "gadfly?"
Why does the LDD fear Elliott?
Please don't forget the Recall Election that was mucked up by the Pinal County Court House.
The Court case is not over yet, MRS K.
One day, we'll be allowed to see just how the Recall Election was manipulated.
OMG. thank you so much for the gut wrenching laughter this morning. I really needed that.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 26th, 2010 04:07 am |
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Jamp
Membership is not an issue when you have the pictures I have!
EF
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25th, 2010 06:25 am |
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Fisher 2009 wrote: Left it at that stone cutters meeting you mentioned James.
You are not, nor will you ever be, a member.
Secret handshake you know...
Besides, I'm on the membership committee.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25th, 2010 06:10 am |
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Left it at that stone cutters meeting you mentioned James.
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You know at the recent Stone Cutter meeting we discussed the plans to thwart Elliott's election chances. You see we hired Gallup and Rasmussen to poll the AJ registered and likely voters and determined that Elliott has a vastly insurmountable lead and therefore our only opportunity will be to bind him up with legal challenges, rejections due to paperwork snafus and a series of excessively complicated and redundant forms that he must complete in triplicate in order to get a library card.
Hey Elliott and Ichthyophiliac Starlit,
Where's that apology to Jeff and his family?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 25th, 2010 05:32 am |
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MrsK2009 wrote: Says you.
The voters decide who is on the council. If the voters choose term limits, so be it. So far, the voters have barely given you the time of day.
Not so sure, MRS K. Doug Coleman has never let Elliott E. Fisher run against him since the year 2000 without some type of an Election Nomination Challenge to keep Elliott off the ballot.
Why does Douglas Coleman need to try so hard for a "gadfly?"
Why does the LDD fear Elliott?
Please don't forget the Recall Election that was mucked up by the Pinal County Court House.
The Court case is not over yet, MRS K.
One day, we'll be allowed to see just how the Recall Election was manipulated.
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Fisher 2009 wrote: RE ECK's Git me tha soap fund! Taking donations!
LOL
EF
You're warped beyond repair ..
Christa Rizzi
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24th, 2010 03:39 pm |
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Says you.
The voters decide who is on the council. If the voters choose term limits, so be it. So far, the voters have barely given you the time of day.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24th, 2010 03:16 pm |
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unfounded
Now there is a fancy word! Lol.
Lets use the word in another way!
The need for lifetime Councilmembers is unfounded . Therefore Term Limits will be voted in!
EF
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| Posted: Wed Feb 24th, 2010 03:06 pm |
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Give it up, Elliott. So far your accusations have proven unfounded.
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RE ECK's Git me tha soap fund! Taking donations!
LOL
EF
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Where do I send in my donation?
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Ajbizowner, thanks for the support of Councilmember Serdy. Fisher hasn't yet realized how much trouble he and his big slanderous mouth has gotten himself into, but he will.
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Mr. Bojangles,
Count me in for a donation to the fund! Fishbrain needs a big comeuppance!
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 07:39 pm |
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Bojungle/Serdy
Go cage fight RE ECK II. He needs the practice for Florence where his ex-brother in law is waiting for him.
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I'm seriously considering taking up a collection to provide legal funds to Councilmember Serdy, so he can take legal action against Fisher and his imported unAmerican spouse. Fisher is under the false impression that the Constitution gives him unlimited protection to speak whatever vile lies he wants to and nothing could be further from the truth. Fisher once again crossed the line by making false, slanderous and libelous statements about Councilmember Serdy and his family. Fisher's wanton and reckless mouth could prove to be very costly to him in a court of law, as Councilmember Serdy most certainly has rights afforded to him by the U.S. Constitution, including seeking punitive monetary sanctions against socialist progressive liars like Fisher in a court of law, in addition to obtaining a restraining order against Fisher.
Put that in your meth pipe and smoke it, Fisher.
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Copied and pasted to desktop.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 02:27 pm |
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J&J,
You only do one thing, that to me makes you a fool....
Just for you.... (in good humor.)
NEVER ARGUE WITH A FOOL
It is best not to argue,
But if you do at all,
Never do so with a fool.
A fool can defeat all.
He does not care for the facts.
He does not know debate.
He’s a stranger to reason.
Logic he can negate.
In the end the fool will win,
His logic is so strong!
Decides what he does not like
And then it must be wrong!
It’s better to keep quiet
When challenged by a fool.
Else, to prove his own wisdom,
He will make you a tool.
It is hence my policy
To not respond to those
Who ask questions not to learn
But to be bellicose.
• Written in abcb, 7-6-7-6 syllabic format.
M C Gupta
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23rd, 2010 06:09 am |
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Well, according to Elliott Fisher I'm a fool.
Who is the fool?
The one using emotions to scare folks, or the one using facts to persuade?
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J&JFarms wrote: Fisher 2009 wrote: Dbuell
I think you and Jeff Serdy should start a new party! Call it Flea baggers of America. Motto: Support taxes when designed for the purpose of covering up for poor government management.
George Hoffman fits the dsecription. Double talk about shared revenue.
The CFP tax was put in place for one purpose -Not as a slush fund for poor management!
EF.
Can you provide details of the poor budget management?
Keep in mind that the State has cut the shared tax revenues to Cities...
Come on Fish, put up or shut up.
I've got the figures and I'll post them, but I'll give you the opportunity post first.
Let's go, put up or shut up Fish. I DARE YOU!
I'm not willing to do without fire and police services, even when most of city hall needs to be changed. Jeff Serdy is one worth keeping.
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MrsK
Why waste my time proving anything to fools? If you want to waste time go look up the AJNews article about the overbudget by two million City Hall Complex.
Go seek the cost of Doug Colemans loss to the builders association (never published)over his failed school impact fees!
I will tell you this : The school teacher PERVERTS are a problem for this City Council!
Even the Sunday club can't be this blind! Two school teachers on the Apache Junction City Council and no outrage!
No wonder Arizona education is ranked bottom rung.
EF
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He'll never put up, J. All he does is make noise.
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Fisher 2009 wrote: Dbuell
I think you and Jeff Serdy should start a new party! Call it Flea baggers of America. Motto: Support taxes when designed for the purpose of covering up for poor government management.
George Hoffman fits the dsecription. Double talk about shared revenue.
The CFP tax was put in place for one purpose -Not as a slush fund for poor management!
EF.
Can you provide details of the poor budget management?
Keep in mind that the State has cut the shared tax revenues to Cities...
Come on Fish, put up or shut up.
I've got the figures and I'll post them, but I'll give you the opportunity post first.
Let's go, put up or shut up Fish. I DARE YOU!
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Fisher 2009 wrote: Jamp
Jeff needs no help from me hurting his re-election! Are you suggesting my opinions carry some weight?
Why don't you guys make up your minds?
Jeff should apoligize for his comments. I know his ego can't handle it!
EF
No, every time you comment you hurt your own reputation. You can't tell the time without a fabrication of the truth, you have yet to post any evidence of all these vast conspiracies against you, and when you are backed into a corner in any discussion of let alone on about political ideology, regardless of how strong your position, you resort to personal attacks.
You and Starlit/Startwit/Starlette/Starlight/Starbright took Jeff's comments out of context, claimed he said something he didn't, all to derail any reasonable discussion about Apache Junction and the betterment of this community.
All we hear from you is attack, negativity, blame and disrespect. You reap what you sow and NOW you are demanding Jeff apologize for something YOU and Starlit misunderstood? You know what, I'm being kind. I don't think you are as foolish as you act, I believe that you play the role of a fool as to give some level of deniability for your actions. You know what you write and why you do it. I've explained to all why you do it. You simply cannot compete in the field of ideas/concepts/beliefs. You cannot take a position, argue it and agree to have a difference of opinion. That is a mark of a poor politician. Any successful politician will tell you that the ability to constructively discuss ideas furthers the process. Do you think Jefferson and Hamilton were best friends? Reread some of your US History and see what the Founding Fathers were like.
So, care to help with the solutions, are you going to remain part of the problem?
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Fisher 2009 wrote: Dbuell
I think you and Jeff Serdy should start a new party! Call it Flea baggers of America. Motto: Support taxes when designed for the purpose of covering up for poor government management.
George Hoffman fits the dsecription. Double talk about shared revenue.
The CFP tax was put in place for one purpose -Not as a slush fund for poor management!
EF.
Stop your shouting it's rude.. 
and for heavens sakes you can't even stay on topic from thread to to thread ...
all you do is hit and run ..
Christa Rizzi
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Jamp
Jeff needs no help from me hurting his re-election! Are you suggesting my opinions carry some weight?
Why don't you guys make up your minds?
Jeff should apoligize for his comments. I know his ego can't handle it!
EF
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Dbuell
I think you and Jeff Serdy should start a new party! Call it Flea baggers of America. Motto: Support taxes when designed for the purpose of covering up for poor government management.
George Hoffman fits the dsecription. Double talk about shared revenue.
The CFP tax was put in place for one purpose -Not as a slush fund for poor management!
EF.
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Jeff,
I know that you feel you need to respond to the puppy eater, but keep in mind every time you entertain his ridiculous accusations you give him fuel to continue them.
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CouncilmemberSerdy wrote: Not only is the premise faulty but Mr. and Mrs. Fisher's entire thought process is constantly faulty.
How can the webteam think it is acceptable to let posters simply make up lies and stories that are not true and let them stand?
Anyone that knows me knows that I am very happily married and that my relationship with my former wife is very amicable. There are no marital problems. The Fishers do not know me, nor do they know of my personal life.
What is apparent is that they are mean spirited nasty people that will attack innocent citizens just for the shock factor to try to gain attention to themselves. Never mind the pain it inflicts on my children that have nothing to do with politics.
Until one or both of them apologize to myself and my family I will no longer respond directly to them. As in the past I will defend myself and my family from threats and lies however.
Someone brought up the idea that maybe it is time to start another blog, with a webteam that has some sort of effectiveness? Sounds good to me! Banning people from this blog is becoming about as selective as city code enforcement measures. How many have gotten kicked off here for far less?
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Not only is the premise faulty but Mr. and Mrs. Fisher's entire thought process is constantly faulty.
How can the webteam think it is acceptable to let posters simply make up lies and stories that are not true and let them stand?
Anyone that knows me knows that I am very happily married and that my relationship with my former wife is very amicable. There are no marital problems. The Fishers do not know me, nor do they know of my personal life.
What is apparent is that they are mean spirited nasty people that will attack innocent citizens just for the shock factor to try to gain attention to themselves. Never mind the pain it inflicts on my children that have nothing to do with politics.
Until one or both of them apologize to myself and my family I will no longer respond directly to them. As in the past I will defend myself and my family from threats and lies however.
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It is clear what is going on here, Elliott is trying to damage Councilman Serdy in order to diminish his reelection chances.
Elliott has yet to provide definitive proof of any of his numerous allegations. All he is trying to do is manufacture a scandal within City Government so he can ride in and rescue us from ourselves.
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Mrs. K,
My husband and I attended those meetings.. you're right, Glenda directed nothing at Jeff personally .. nothing
She was not at CTTP about Jeff ..
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The premise is faulty. I remember when Glenda and her dad - himself a former city council member - spoke at cttp and I do not recall one single derogatory word directed at Jeff. Maybe it's time to dig up the link and post it.
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On page one, Fisher 2009 wrote: Call to the Public is the only chance Citizens in our City have to exercise their First Amendment Right to the Public-at-Large and to our duly elected City Council and face them eye-to-eye as a complete body.
Because Mr. Serdy's ex-wife made unflattering comments at Call to the Public he has caused the Call to the Public to be severely limited. We the citizens can no longer use names and address the Council Members directly.
Mr Serdy, the public's right to speak is sacred. Your character failings and marital woes - or anybody else's on the City Council is not our problem. This includes Mr R.E.EckII's recent run-in with the law. Again.
The protection of your character(s) is not the first order of business in our City.
I demand you and your cronies restore Call to the Public to a standard that is in keeping with our First Amendment Rights.
Questioning a Council member's character is not a "personal attack." Your character Serdy or R.E.EckII is City business.
M. CALL TO PUBLIC (Taken from the regular meeting agenda)
At this time the public has the privilege to address the Council with requests, communications, comments or suggestions relating to City business that are not listed on the agenda. ... All such remarks shall be addressed to the Council as a whole and not to any member thereof."
You guys all know that a politician's character is the business of the public.
Now, if you guys are to be protected at Call to the Public so should we the people.
After Call to the Public, speakers are personally addressed and in the case of myself, attacked. Attacked repeatedly.
You are hiding behind the Color of Law.
Elliott E. Fisher
Pinal County Independent & Greater Apache Junction Association for Effective Government.
I think that some people here have gotten side-tracked. This post is about the citizens loss:
"Jeff Serdy's MARITAL PROBLEMS caused the Public to Lose Freedom to Speak About City Council members."
Again, it is about our Council's manipulation of events.
The posting is in favor of Free Speech and open public discourse!
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ShannonFlynn wrote: FISHER, GET OVER THIS CRAP.... FROM THE RECALL LADY QUEEN HERSELF. LOL
GLENDA SERDY WAS PAID BY THE " TEAM" TO HELP. FOR HER REASONS ALONE. NEVER COVERED UP ANYTHING ON THAT.
RECALL RECALL RECALL. DIDNT WORK PEOPLE. PLEASE PLEASE LETS MOVE ON FOR TODAY AND MAKE AJ A BETTER PLACE TOGETHER.
I HAVE LEARNED MANY THINGS FISHER. WHILE I HAVE NOT CHANGED WHO OR WHAT I THINK. I HAVE CHANGED HOW I GO ABOUT THINGS. I AM ABLE TO SEE ALL POINT OF VIEW "EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT MY OWN". HELL I HAVE CHANGED MY THOUGHTS ON SOME ISSUES DUE TO HEARING WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY AND FEEL.
FISHER YOUR LOOKING LIKE A HORSE'S AS_. SOMETIMES MAYBE YOU NEED TO, THOUGH PICK YOUR HILLS TO PISS ON. MR. SERDY IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
I PULLED HIS RECALL PAPERWORK AND IF I COULD DO IT AGAIN I WOULD THINK TWICE. ALONG WITH MR. D'S.
FISHER STOP NOW!
I FULLY SUPPORT JEFF.
SHANNON FLYNN
Thanks Shannon. Well said!
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Fisher 2009 wrote: I support Freedom of Speech and open public discourse.
Serdy's behavior and ex-wife's comments are secondary to the big picture.
The City Council used the ex-wife bit at Call to the Public as an excuse to shut off people, shut out people and (eventually) to pass more taxes.
Period.
EF
Elliott - you are absolutely free to speak at cttp against the proposed new extension and re-purposing of the .002 tax.
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Starwit wrote: ajBookchin wrote: Starlette wrote: Shannon, etc.
Issues in this forum are
1) Character of our Elected officials.
2) Freedom of Speech at CTTP, Transparency and Accountability.
Shannon, with all due respect, it is not about you!
Can someone please provide me with a definition of hypocritical???
Don't you mean the definition of Consistent???
Do remember the topic above on this forum is "Jeff Serdy's MARITAL PROBLEMS Caused the Public to Lose Freedom to Speak About City Council members."
Elliott's consistent in his love for our Constitution. He believes in Freedom of Speech and open public discourse.
Are you not asking the public to restrict their free speech to a particular topic??? I thought you and Elliott were against any restriction of free speech???
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ajBookchin wrote: Starlette wrote: Shannon, etc.
Issues in this forum are
1) Character of our Elected officials.
2) Freedom of Speech at CTTP, Transparency and Accountability.
Shannon, with all due respect, it is not about you!
Can someone please provide me with a definition of hypocritical???
Don't you mean the definition of Consistent???
Do remember the topic above on this forum is "Jeff Serdy's MARITAL PROBLEMS Caused the Public to Lose Freedom to Speak About City Council members."
Elliott's consistent in his love for our Constitution. He believes in Freedom of Speech and open public discourse.
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I support Freedom of Speech and open public discourse.
Serdy's behavior and ex-wife's comments are secondary to the big picture.
The City Council used the ex-wife bit at Call to the Public as an excuse to shut off people, shut out people and (eventually) to pass more taxes.
Period.
EF
Last edited on Fri Feb 19th, 2010 11:33 pm by Fisher 2009
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MikeW wrote: Shannon
BRAVO!! well said!!
Yes, very good.
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ajBookchin wrote: Starlette wrote: Shannon, etc.
Issues in this forum are
1) Character of our Elected officials.
2) Freedom of Speech at CTTP, Transparency and Accountability.
Shannon, with all due respect, it is not about you!
Can someone please provide me with a definition of hypocritical???
You're looking at it, same as the rest of us.
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Starlette wrote: Shannon, etc.
Issues in this forum are
1) Character of our Elected officials.
2) Freedom of Speech at CTTP, Transparency and Accountability.
Shannon, with all due respect, it is not about you!
Can someone please provide me with a definition of hypocritical???
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Shannon, etc.
Issues in this forum are
1) Character of our Elected officials.
2) Freedom of Speech at CTTP, Transparency and Accountability.
Shannon, with all due respect, it is not about you!
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FISHER, GET OVER THIS CRAP.... FROM THE RECALL LADY QUEEN HERSELF. LOL
GLENDA SERDY WAS PAID BY THE " TEAM" TO HELP. FOR HER REASONS ALONE. NEVER COVERED UP ANYTHING ON THAT.
RECALL RECALL RECALL. DIDNT WORK PEOPLE. PLEASE PLEASE LETS MOVE ON FOR TODAY AND MAKE AJ A BETTER PLACE TOGETHER.
I HAVE LEARNED MANY THINGS FISHER. WHILE I HAVE NOT CHANGED WHO OR WHAT I THINK. I HAVE CHANGED HOW I GO ABOUT THINGS. I AM ABLE TO SEE ALL POINT OF VIEW "EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT MY OWN". HELL I HAVE CHANGED MY THOUGHTS ON SOME ISSUES DUE TO HEARING WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY AND FEEL.
FISHER YOUR LOOKING LIKE A HORSE'S AS_. SOMETIMES MAYBE YOU NEED TO, THOUGH PICK YOUR HILLS TO PISS ON. MR. SERDY IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
I PULLED HIS RECALL PAPERWORK AND IF I COULD DO IT AGAIN I WOULD THINK TWICE. ALONG WITH MR. D'S.
FISHER STOP NOW!
I FULLY SUPPORT JEFF.
SHANNON FLYNN
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MrsK2009 wrote: Looks like "Serdy" to me on the report.
"the recall team did report payment to Glenda Serda on their campaign financial report, on file with the city clerk's office."
Bojangles himself!
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Looks like "Serdy" to me on the report.
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