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Slartibartfast wrote: What if she had said that Arizona was a "Borderline State?"


She didn't.  She said Arizona doesn't border Mexico.  She wants to boycott us because, well, because she's an idiot first of all, but because she doesn't think we should be the first ones to create a law like this. 

I guess she likes Texas better.  BTW, did you know that Texas is where the term "wetback" comes from?  It's true.  They gave them that name because Mexicans would cross the Rio Grande illegally into Texas. 

Peggy West probably thinks it's ok to use that term in Texas...just not in Arizona.

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What if she had said that Arizona was a "Borderline State?"

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What Me Kidding wrote: This was pretty funny........



Milwaukee County Supervisor Peggy West stumbled a bit Thursday in throwing her support for a county boycott of doing business with Arizona when she said Arizona wasn’t a state that bordered Mexico.


The gaffe was captured on camera by Todays TMJ4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_RSr3VDAfE




"If this was Texas, which is a state that is directly on the border with Mexico, and they were calling for a measure like this saying that they had a major issue with undocumented people flooding their borders, I would have to look twice at this. But this is a state that is a ways removed from the border," West said.


The trip-up was quickly caught by fellow Supervisor Joe Rice.

"I just want to assure my colleague that Arizona is a state that does in fact share a border with Mexico," Rice said.

West said later she misspoke.

Action on the boycott was delayed.




 



 



Peggy West was elected 12th District Supervisor in 2004 and is serving her first term on the Milwaukee County Board of Supervisors representing the 50,000 residents on Milwaukee’s south side. Supervisor West has the unique distinction of being the first Latino/Hispanic American to be elected to the Milwaukee County Board.


Golly...she's about as stupid as a screen door on a submarine.

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b_goodman wrote: doggielover wrote: She said AZ didn't have a border with Mexico , not that AZ had the second largest border with Mexico. Give her a cupcake.


I said, AFTER the meeting.  This is what she said to reporters: "Had Texas come out with the legislation, having the largest border, I think that I would be more receptive to the fact that there was a problem.  But having it be Arizona, having it be the second largest boarder and knowing there are troops on the border in Arizona, it didn't seem to me that this legislation was particularly necessary at this moment in time," West said."

So she gets NO cupcake.  Most communities boycott us because they think the law will lead to profiling.  SHE wants to boycott because she doesn't think "that this legislation was particularly necessary at this moment in time."  She clearly has no understanding of which she speaks.

 


 

Don't worry, Goodman, I read your post unlike some people.  And you are right, Peggy West doesn't even understand what she is talking about.  She's just following orders from the liberal corner.

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You are very naive. Maybe that's a good thing. She gets a cupcake.

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doggielover wrote: She said AZ didn't have a border with Mexico , not that AZ had the second largest border with Mexico. Give her a cupcake.


I said, AFTER the meeting.  This is what she said to reporters: "Had Texas come out with the legislation, having the largest border, I think that I would be more receptive to the fact that there was a problem.  But having it be Arizona, having it be the second largest boarder and knowing there are troops on the border in Arizona, it didn't seem to me that this legislation was particularly necessary at this moment in time," West said."

So she gets NO cupcake.  Most communities boycott us because they think the law will lead to profiling.  SHE wants to boycott because she doesn't think "that this legislation was particularly necessary at this moment in time."  She clearly has no understanding of which she speaks.

 


 

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She said AZ didn't have a border with Mexico , not that AZ had the second largest border with Mexico. Give her a cupcake.

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What Me Kidding wrote: This was pretty funny........


Milwaukee County Supervisor Peggy West stumbled a bit Thursday in throwing her support for a county boycott of doing business with Arizona when she said Arizona wasn’t a state that bordered Mexico.


The gaffe was captured on camera by Todays TMJ4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_RSr3VDAfE



"If this was Texas, which is a state that is directly on the border with Mexico, and they were calling for a measure like this saying that they had a major issue with undocumented people flooding their borders, I would have to look twice at this. But this is a state that is a ways removed from the border," West said.


The trip-up was quickly caught by fellow Supervisor Joe Rice.

"I just want to assure my colleague that Arizona is a state that does in fact share a border with Mexico," Rice said.

West said later she misspoke.

Action on the boycott was delayed.




 


 



Peggy West was elected 12th District Supervisor in 2004 and is serving her first term on the Milwaukee County Board of Supervisors representing the 50,000 residents on Milwaukee’s south side. Supervisor West has the unique distinction of being the first Latino/Hispanic American to be elected to the Milwaukee County Board.


She said after the meeting that what she meant to say was Texas has the biggest boarder and she could understand if they had a problem with immigration.  But with AZ just being the second largest border, then we shouldn't have a law like this.  In other words, she thinks we should be boycotted because somebody else should have come up with the law first???  If she thought it would lead to profiling, then I'd give her a little slack.   I'd still ask her to read the law first.  But that was not the case.

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With the upcoming lawsuit brought by our own Department of Justice as it pertains to the Employer Sanctions Law, are they not suing themselves?

"The Justice Department files a lawsuit against Arizona’s immigration law"

http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/05/30/the-justice-department-files-a-lawsuit-against-arizonas-immigration-law/

E-Verify was implemented in 1996 under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA).  E-Verify is administered by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a16988e60a405110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a16988e60a405110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD

Participation in E-Verify is voluntary for most businesses, but if a business chooses to use it or a state requires a business to use they are now subject to a lawsuit?

Another great example of our hard working Government in action!

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Oh, yes. Sure, she "misspoke".

What Me Kidding wrote:

West said later she misspoke.
 

 



Peggy West was elected 12th District Supervisor in 2004 and is serving her first term on the Milwaukee County Board of Supervisors representing the 50,000 residents on Milwaukee’s south side. Supervisor West has the unique distinction of being the first Latino/Hispanic American to be elected to the Milwaukee County Board.

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This was pretty funny........

Milwaukee County Supervisor Peggy West stumbled a bit Thursday in throwing her support for a county boycott of doing business with Arizona when she said Arizona wasn’t a state that bordered Mexico.


The gaffe was captured on camera by Todays TMJ4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_RSr3VDAfE


"If this was Texas, which is a state that is directly on the border with Mexico, and they were calling for a measure like this saying that they had a major issue with undocumented people flooding their borders, I would have to look twice at this. But this is a state that is a ways removed from the border," West said.


The trip-up was quickly caught by fellow Supervisor Joe Rice.

"I just want to assure my colleague that Arizona is a state that does in fact share a border with Mexico," Rice said.

West said later she misspoke.

Action on the boycott was delayed.




 

 



Peggy West was elected 12th District Supervisor in 2004 and is serving her first term on the Milwaukee County Board of Supervisors representing the 50,000 residents on Milwaukee’s south side. Supervisor West has the unique distinction of being the first Latino/Hispanic American to be elected to the Milwaukee County Board.

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Slartibartfast,

An eye opener picture of Pearce with J T Ready… I’m disappointed in his National Socialist Movement (NSM) association. However, as noted before, idiots come in all colors and flavors. This Neo-Nazi, white supremacist flavor is particularly odorous and needs to be opposed wherever found. In 2009 the 35th anniversary of the NSM in St Louis had about 85 attendees out of a population of about three million. I’m not really concerned about a very, very small fringe group of idiots that wear swastikas on their arms.

Several GOP Congressmen want J T Ready out of the GOP.

I found Pearce’s bio on Wikipedia and noted the policies he advocates, policies that I also support. Policies of smaller government, family values and adherence to all of the Constitution not just those parts that are agreeable to you or I.

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Oh by the way, here's another news photo of J.T. Ready with some of his friends... he's the second from the right.

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Coffeecup: Here's a news photo of Senator Russel Pearce obviously enjoying the company of white supremacist J.T. Ready while wearing his "Flag Shirt". Thought you might like to see it.

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Understanding SB 1070

WASHINGTON (April 29, 2010) – The new law recently signed by the governor of Arizona, SB 1070, makes it a crime to violate some federal immigration statutes. While the law is extremely popular in the state, with 70 percent of Arizona voters approving of it and just 23 percent opposed, it has raised controversy. Below is a brief summary of the relevant information on illegal immigration in Arizona, followed by a short analysis of SB 1070’s major provisions.

Illegal immigration in Arizona:
  • The federal government estimated that Arizona had one of the fastest growing illegal immigrant populations in the country, increasing from 330,000 in 2000 to 560,000 by 2008.1

  • Arizona has adopted other laws to deter the settlement of illegal immigrants in the state in recent years. The federal government estimates that the illegal immigrant population dropped by 18 percent in the state from 2008 to 2009, compared to a 7 percent drop for the nation as a whole.2 This may be evidence that the state enforcement efforts are having an impact.

  • The Maricopa County Attorney’s Office has found that 22 percent of felonies in the county are committed by illegal immigrants.3 Illegal immigrants are estimated to be 10 percent of the county’s adult population.4

  • Analysis of data from State Criminal Alien Assistance Program showed that illegal immigrants were 11 percent of the state’s prison population. Illegal immigrants were estimated to be 8 percent of state’s adult population at the time of the analysis.5

  • Approximately 17 percent of those arrested by the Border Patrol in its Tucson Sector have criminal records in the United States.6

  • The issue of illegal immigration and crime is very difficult to measure, and while in Arizona there is evidence that illegal immigrants are committing a disproportionate share of crime, it is not clear this is the case nationally.7

  • In 2007, the Center for Immigration Studies estimated that 12 percent of workers in Arizona are illegal immigrants.8

  • In 2007, the Center estimated that illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) comprise one-fifth of those in the state living in poverty, one-third of those without health insurance, and one out of six students in the state’s schools.9

  • In 2007, the Center estimated that one-third of households headed by illegal immigrants in Arizona used at least one major welfare program, primarily food-assistance programs or Medicaid. Benefits were typically received on behalf of U.S.-born children.10

  • The new law (SB 1070) is extremely popular among Arizona voters. A Rasmussen poll found that 70 percent of voters approve of the new bill, and just 23 percent oppose it.11
Among the new law’s provisions:
  • The new Arizona law mirrors federal law, which already requires aliens (non-citizens) to register and carry their documents with them (8 USC 1304(e) and 8 USC 1306(a)). The new Arizona law simply states that violating federal immigration law is now a state crime as well. Because illegal immigrants are by definition in violation of federal immigration laws, they can now be arrested by local law enforcement in Arizona.

  • The law is designed to avoid the legal pitfall of “pre-emption,” which means a state can’t adopt laws that conflict with federal laws. By making what is a federal violation also a state violation, the Arizona law avoids this problem.

  • The law only allows police to ask about immigration status in the normal course of “lawful contact” with a person, such as a traffic stop or if they have committed a crime.

  • Estimates from the federal government indicate that more than 80 percent of illegal immigrants come from Latin America.12 Thus, there is concern that police may target only Hispanics for enforcement.

  • Before asking a person about immigration status, law enforcement officials are required by the law to have “reasonable suspicion” that a person is an illegal immigrant. The concept of “reasonable suspicion” is well established by court rulings. Since Arizona does not issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, having a valid license creates a presumption of legal status. Examples of reasonable suspicion include:
    • A driver stopped for a traffic violation has no license, or record of a driver's license or other form of federal or state identification.
    • A police officer observes someone buying fraudulent identity documents or crossing the border illegally.
    • A police officer recognizes a gang member back on the street who he knows has been previously deported by the federal government.
  • The law specifically states that police, “may not solely consider race, color or national origin” when implementing SB 1070.

  • When Arizona’s governor signed the new law, she also issued an executive order requiring the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board to provide local police with additional training on what does and what does not constitute “reasonable suspicion.”13
 

http://www.cis.org/Announcement/AZ-Immigration-SB1070

Last edited on Mon Jun 28th, 2010 01:07 am by TyrannyOfEvil

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cheerleaderforclosers,

State Senator Pearce advocates for smaller and more efficient government, eliminating abuse of eminent domain, tightening border security, a vocal supporter of the Second Amendment in the context of the US gun rights debate, asserting the notion of the US as God's republic (in contrast to the US as a secular democracy), supporting private property rights, improving education and restoring discipline, supporting the Boy Scouts of America in their moral leadership goals, supporting traditional family values, promoting pro-life views, supporting the Taxpayer Bill of Rights, against judicial activism and improving transportation, including freeways. Where’s his racism?

Pearce has also fought for restricting illegal immigration into the United States. Could this be the basis for your racist claim? He drafted Proposition 200, popularly known as Protect Arizona Now, intended to stop voting fraud and welfare fraud by illegal aliens. Perhaps you are in favor of voter and welfare fraud by illegal aliens?

YOUR racist comment identifies you as nothing more than another race-card playing liberal that needs a reality check.

Your "clearly" characterization of “Joe” and “Brewer” indicates you need to see an optometrist!

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cheerleaderforclosers wrote: Arizona is now known for three politicians:

Russell Pearce - clearly a racist

Joe - clearly a senile old man

Brewer - clearly an idiot

 

Makes me proud!!!

Sheriff Joe creates 7 job openings -

http://www.kpho.com/news/24039074/detail.html

Viva Sheriff Joe, a great American!

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TyrannyOfEvil wrote: Keeping the immigration issue on a local level, this is exactly why Arizona needs a bill like SB 1070. If  Washington will not enforce their own laws, then it is up our state to enforce them.

Keep in mind that the dollar amounts and figures below are from 2004.


The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Arizonans:

Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to about $1.3 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden borne by Arizonans amounts to more than $700 per household headed by a native-born resident.

As this report will note, other significant costs associated with illegal immigration exist and should be taken into account by federal and state officials. But even without accounting for all of the multitude of areas in which costs are being incurred by Arizona taxpayers, the programs analyzed in this study indicate that the burden is substantial and that the costs are rapidly increasing.

The $1.3 billion in costs incurred by Arizona taxpayers is comprised of outlays in the following areas:
  • Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in Arizona and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Arizonans spend approximately $820 million annually on education for illegal immigrant children and for their U.S.-born siblings.
  • Health Care. Uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population is now estimated at about $400 million a year.
  • Incarceration. The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in Arizona prisons and jails amounts to about $80 million a year (not including the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration).
The unauthorized immigrant population pays some state and local taxes that go toward offsetting these costs, but they do not come near to matching the expenses. The total of such payments might generously be estimated at $257 million per year.

The fiscal costs of illegal immigration do not end with these three major cost items. The total costs of illegal immigration to the state’s taxpayers would be considerably higher if other costs such as special English instruction, school nutrition programs, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were added into the equation.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters5e3f

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/azcosts2.pdf?docID=101

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Arizona is now known for three politicians:

Russell Pearce - clearly a racist

Joe - clearly a senile old man

Brewer - clearly an idiot

 

Makes me proud!!!

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Keeping the immigration issue on a local level, this is exactly why Arizona needs a bill like SB 1070. If  Washington will not enforce their own laws, then it is up our state to enforce them.

Keep in mind that the dollar amounts and figures below are from 2004.


The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Arizonans:

Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to about $1.3 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden borne by Arizonans amounts to more than $700 per household headed by a native-born resident.

As this report will note, other significant costs associated with illegal immigration exist and should be taken into account by federal and state officials. But even without accounting for all of the multitude of areas in which costs are being incurred by Arizona taxpayers, the programs analyzed in this study indicate that the burden is substantial and that the costs are rapidly increasing.

The $1.3 billion in costs incurred by Arizona taxpayers is comprised of outlays in the following areas:
  • Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in Arizona and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Arizonans spend approximately $820 million annually on education for illegal immigrant children and for their U.S.-born siblings.
  • Health Care. Uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population is now estimated at about $400 million a year.
  • Incarceration. The cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in Arizona prisons and jails amounts to about $80 million a year (not including the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration).
The unauthorized immigrant population pays some state and local taxes that go toward offsetting these costs, but they do not come near to matching the expenses. The total of such payments might generously be estimated at $257 million per year.

The fiscal costs of illegal immigration do not end with these three major cost items. The total costs of illegal immigration to the state’s taxpayers would be considerably higher if other costs such as special English instruction, school nutrition programs, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were added into the equation.

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters5e3f

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/azcosts2.pdf?docID=101

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